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I occasionally need to know the names of programs. I asked here about "Run as Administrator" being added to the context menu (like in Windows), and the response was basically "can't be easily done". an example is if I wish to edit a config file it cannot be done without accessing the terminal. Knowing the name "gedit" is the real name of "text editor" is useful information in this use-case.

I am not afraid of the terminal, but I would never prefer it over a GUI. is there a way to find a program name/install location from right-clicking-details (or something)? So then I could open a terminal and "sudo programname"?

(As an aside, I prefer Linux overall, but every distro I've tried has a strong sense that if you're using the GUI you don't need or deserve admin controls. Program names in the menus are almost always different from their names in the terminal, and many what I would consider normal system settings, like the ability to act as an administrator, find where a program is installed are terminal only.)

This is Ubuntu with all the default stuff


EDIT: I always expect a degree of hostility and talking-down from the desktop Linux community, but the number of people in this thread telling me I am using my own computer that I bought with my own money in a way they don't prefer while ignoring my question is just absurd and frankly should be deeply embarrassing for all of us. I have strongly defended the desktop Linux community for decades, but this experience has left a sour taste in my mouth.

Thank you to the few of you who tried to assist without judgement or assumptions.

EDIT: As usual, it can be easily done.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

@flork Granted it's listed in a mimeapps.list file, you should easily be able to pull the program name out of there by querying against the file in question's mimetype.

And while "can't be easily done" may be generally true, don't call it quits; some file managers may offer less "not easy" than others. Don't end your customization exploration because the file manager you currently use can't do what you want, try fiddlin round with some others. The process for each file manager is going to be different, and getting the name of the program for any filetype is also going to differ depending on the syntax required for altering each different file manager.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

If you are interested in editing text files as root directly from nautilus, the package nautilus-admin may be helpful. Link

As I am using KDE, I know that Kate, the KDE text editor, prompts for the sudo password when saving an edited text files that is owned by root. I don't know if Gedit does the same.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Oh my gosh I can't believe after 56 comments from so called "experts" you bring up such a simple solution. Thank you!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I understand your pain. Most things you need to configure are either in your home direct under .config or they prompt for admin if they need it. However, not everything has a convenient gui interface to make config changes. This is mostly ok because configuration is usually done once and then never touched again.This is how Linux works, it just isn't a like for like replacement for windows, though it can achieve the same goals.

I like a better gui for adjusting audio devices, specifically the sample and bit rates. I haven't found anything that can do it in a straightforward gui.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

From this and your other thread I’m getting the idea that you should switch desktop environments. Gnome doesn’t provide that functionality in the context menu by default and tends to obfuscate program names in order to be more straightforward.

Install kde. See how it treats you. It’s a lot more windowsy than gnome.

Usually when gnome users run into something they can’t do with the gui they’ll either go without it or use the command line to do it. That’s the way macos users are too.

If you don’t wanna use the command line you gotta have a de that doesn’t treat it as an acceptable fallback.

I’m just gonna respond to your other thread here as well. The problem you ought to be trying to solve isn’t running a gui program sudo (which is a bad idea for all the reasons everyone else in that thread listed), but why you’re not being prompted for credentials when you try to do something that needs them.

One of the examples you gave is a network share file access and it could be (I’m guessing because decades ago I did this too) that you have admin credentials on your local machine that match the ones your network share is looking for. If that’s the case, it’s bad, fix it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It’s a lot more windowsy than gnome.

Is it as easily customizable now? The thing I hate about Windows and love about GNOME is that I can configure the UI to look like almost anything with a few clicks and there is a great community creating great extensions. I haven't tried KDE in many years but I found it more limiting than even Windows last time I tried it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I don’t know what you want to customize, but it seemed really customizable to me.

So you understand who you’re talking to: I use lxqt and the only customized thing about it is taskbar on the left side of the screen.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

KDE Plasma.

Really, GNOME is not a good Desktop for poweruser tasks like that. Either oversimplified GUI or terminal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I like GNOME for it's extensions, but haven't tried KDE since before Plasma. Is it highly customizable on par with GNOME?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Is it highly customizable on par with GNOME?

Lol, thats its principle.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This. Second that. Gnome is a pile of hot garbage ffs use chad draggy KDE

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Honestly. The Fedora change proposal sounded kinda odd for me, but really?? GNOME sucks?

GNOME lacks support for so much, so that either straight to Terminal with all the complications, or random Extensions (arbitrary code!) that will break on updates, or just "dont use it".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

every distro I've tried has a strong sense that if you're using the GUI you don't need or deserve admin controls

It's more that GUI programs can't be trusted with root privileges. They're not designed for that, and can break things in unpredictable ways.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Running GUI programs as root is going to introduce you into a world of pain. But you have been warned now, so if you proceed, let the pain become a learning experience, young padawan.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

So much for...

The Linux desktop is amazing, it does all the annoying things Windows does while not delivering anything Windows does right.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

https://github.com/brunonova/nautilus-admin

This is unmaintained, so it may not work with the latest ubuntu, but it is an extension to the default ubuntu file manager that does some of what you want

As for your title question, unfortunately ubuntu/gnome don't seem to make this easy. On some DEs you can just right click and go find the shortcut properties sorta like on windows. Others have noted some good reasons why GUI apps shouldn't run as root, but you're right that sometimes it's necessary, or simply the easiest/most expedient way to do things.

You can accomplish what you ask using a little shell script though, which you could bind to a keyboard shortcut or something. I may elaborate further but basically:

readlink /proc/"$( xprop _NET_WM_PID | sed 's/_NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL) = //')"/exe

and then clicking on the window you want to ID will attempt to identify the binary it's running. then you could either display it in a popup using zenity, or write it directly to the clipboard using xclip (or wl-copy I think for wayland distros)

I really like setting up little shortcut scripts like this with zenity for user input, and usually the notification tray or clipboard for output

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Find the .desktop file for the desired program (should be in /usr/share/applications) Right click, properties, then somewhere in that window, it should show the exact command that the .desktop file invokes when launched. In that command should be the actual program name (ie, /usr/bin/firefox-esr, firefox-esr is your program name).

Alternatively, right click, "Open With", choose a text editor, then you'll see a couple lines of information. One of those lines of info should be that command as well.

Edit, to be fair, I'm also not a fan of Gnome's obfuscation of program names. It may make sense for very new users, but I also found it counterproductive in certain use cases

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

snaps have an extra dir for their .desktop files, becAUse ThEY ArE SpeciaL

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Thats normal, Flatpaks have that too. And the location is horrible.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

but every distro I’ve tried has a strong sense that if you’re using the GUI you don’t need or deserve admin controls

It's not that you don't need or deserve it. The thing is terminal tools are already available. To get the same stuff with GUI someone is going to have to make that stuff. Most people with the skill to make things like that probably don't care enough about GUI to be inspired to make such tools. Since using the terminal is easy and natural to them. When it comes to FOSS, since people work on it in their free time with no payment, they are likely to only put significant effort in things that they would use themselves.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The thing is terminal tools are already available.

Right, after many years of Linux, I get the feeling that developers assume that if you don't like text-based input, you are not responsible enough to configure your own computer. It strikes me as a hacky workaround to the problem of different knowledge levels among users. This is not a criticism of any particular developer, and I have a deep respect for them all. It's just an observation. UAC is not much better, and Apple's "solution" is even worse.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

GUIs are good for the sole reason of presenting you the available options. A CLI is empty.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes! Exactly why it bugs me when options are left out of the GUI out of what I can only assume is a sense of concern the user might use them "incorrectly".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I mean in this case it is very reasonable. Dont run apps as root.

See my konsole entry, the app runs as user, but a specific profile that launches a root shell.

I am also currently updating my linux desktop entries help page

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Right, after many years of Linux, I get the feeling that developers assume that if you don't like text-based input, you are not responsible enough to configure your own computer.

Many of us prefer the cli for administration. It's not "punishing" you - it's how things are more often done with Linux.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Oh I know, no disrespect to my terminal-peeps. to clarify, I was speaking purely about the "noob friendly" distros.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

While it wouldn't surprise me if some devs do assume that, I think you're mistaking apathy for malice in the general case. If there isn't a way to do something through a GUI that can be done through a terminal, it only implies that no one has decided that creating a GUI to do that was worth the effort.

It's not (necessarily) that devs want to block users from changing things, it's more of a case that no one has cared enough to put the time and effort in to enabling that GUI access. They either use the terminal or don't configure it ideally themselves because that configuration hasn't been important enough to take their attention.

Though I added that necessarily in brackets there because the Linux community is historically known for RTFM-style gatekeeping even for users who are trying to learn how to use the terminal, so I don't doubt that there are some terminal purists who would attempt to block attempts to add GUI configuration to depots they have influence over.

But just keep in mind it takes time and effort to make things. And, personally, as a dev (not a Linux dev but a software dev that uses Linux), I hate making GUIs. In my experience, unless you're willing to spend a long time positioning, sizing, and centering, they look like crap. Maybe there's a better framework for it these days, but I'd rather be writing algorithms and solving interesting problems than doing graphical design.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

That's a really good point. I also know that making GUIs sucks and there's a reason UX devs make the big bucks.

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