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Let's increase worker productivity? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 6 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It doesn't matter how much research there is in support of a 4-day work week.

I work in appliance repair. I do seven work orders a day on average. Each work order that I close makes me a flat rate between 45 and $100 depending on the kind of work that I do.

I cannot survive on 4 days a week. That's 24 work orders that won't even cover my car.

The vast majority of people living in this country don't work in an office. As a matter of fact, last time I checked, I think it was under 15% of the employment force in America works in an office in front of a computer. The rest of us are out there doing something else.

A 4-day work week is absolutely unrealistic.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

4 day work week in most proposed implementations includes pay adjustmentments to compensate for the lost day. Also the four day work week is focused on hourly work at 40 per week, not cases like yours. I bet if we look we can find a similar proposal for your situation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

This is exactly where the vaunted invisible hand is actually meant to come into play. Even if they don't directly benefit, the increased fulfillment of those that do benefit will drive up demand for those jobs, which will reduce demand for these jobs. And so they will have to compensate for reduced demand by offering more to keep people there.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Same here. I don't directly benefit in the way you do, but I work in a factory. They'd benefit from a seven day work week... The more time the more we can output, the more we can output the more orders we can take... :(

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

A four day work week in a factory setting just goes against the skeleton crew mindset to keep the place "running".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

thats a really weird to way to spell "company funded militia"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

The beatings will continue until morale improves

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It's not about the money, it's about control over your life.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Armchair theory: this is the fundamental difference between liberals and leftists. Liberals will assume that if you change the economic incentives, business owners will respond accordingly.

That runs smack into things like work from home or 4 day work weeks. We have evidence that workers will be as much or more productive doing things this way. Why are they opposing it, anyway? Power fits the explanation better than money. Perhaps there is a third option, but until someone comes up with a convincing one, I'll go with power.

Money is only a path to power. In a conflict between power and money, they will choose power.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

See: Utopianism vs Scientific Socialism, or Idealism vs Materialism.

The ruling class cannot simply be convinced to give up power, even if it is more productive or moral.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ya know, I always found this to be the bizarre thing about the rich and powerful. They try to hold onto their wealth and power that it inevitably will start to seep from between their fingers like sand. If one wants to hold wealth and power the most effective way much like sand is to hold it gently and evenly.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

There's an expression in Japan (I think): "A rising tide lifts all boats." The rich could get EVEN RICHER if they helped people out of poverty, who would then likely buy more of whatever it is the rich sell to get rich. But that's long term thinking...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

The problem with that sense of Trickle Down Economics is that these better Capitalists that pay more cannot do so when in competition. Similarly, raising minimum wage, while massively helpful for humanity, lowers the rate of exploitation and thus lowers the rate of profits for business owners.

This is the key of why Capitalists cannot be convinced to do better, it will always hurt them.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

A rising tide lifts all boats

This one originates from the United States, popularized by Kennedy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

That's also an English expression

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Maybe we could combine the theory in this post and just mentally suffer the extra 8 hours. I get my extra time and capitalists get their human suffering. It's a win-win!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago

Please do not compare the noble pig to that filth.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Will this four day work week only apply to hourly employees? If so, that’s just a cut in hours.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Obviously the pay is adjusted to be the same

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

You would hope so.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

4 day week laws tend to require nominal pay be adjusted to account for this

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

Pay should stay the same.

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