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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Withnail and I

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago

Primal Fear (1996). It's arguable whether or not the antagonist is truly evil though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

Massive spoilers for the movie, obviously, but technically Predestination:

spoilerThe film ends with the main character having fully descended into madness and clearly intent on taking whatever steps he has to to see the love of his life again, even if it means killing tens of thousands of people to do so.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

Just a reminder for people casually browsing that unmarked spoilers are present here!

[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Also from the same year, There Will Be Blood.

He drank their milkshake.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I've got another one: After Hours (1985)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

Define "evil". It's a really broad category.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago

There will be blood. Oil mogul thrives while america plunges into depression. Plainview and people like him will go on to be more influential down the line. Like prescott bush or hw bush.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Willy Wonka (Or Charlie) and the Chocolate Factory. And not because of Charlie, but because of Wonka.

The dude's basically a slave owner, paying his workers in cocoa beans, he nearly drowns a kid, poisons another, throws a third into an incinerator, and disfigures a fourth.

He's not a good person.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The Ghost Writer

One of my favourite movies of all time

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago

If I remember right, The Usual Suspects

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

Brazil (1985)

Chinatown (1974)

Conspiracy (2001)

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

I've got one that's a gem and hasn't been mentioned yet, for once!

Upgrade (2018)

A guy and his wife are attacked, his wife is murdered and he just barely survives. With the help of a super-chip implanted into his body by a billionaire, he sets out to get revenge. But at what cost?

A stylish, savage techno-action film, basically John Wick but with AI chip. The ending is rightly haunting. Well worth watching!

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A Scanner Darkly, the drug epidemic is controlled by the pharmaceutical companies and they are still rich at the end.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

spoilerBut the movie ends with the brainfried undercover cop picking a drug-producing flower to send to his friends as a gift. It's implied that's what they need to bring the drug empire down.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It's implied that it could go either way, but the ending it has ended before that could be decided. Also that undercover cop burned out his brain for a cause he never really signed up for.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Pretty much any Batman movie. It's subtle, because it's not chaotic evil, but lawful evil—the status quo, established hierarchic power structures and systemic injustices that plague the city remain in place. In fact, enforcing and protecting status quo is the whole raison d'entre of Batman, who is an extremely priviledged rich individual benefitting and profiting from the status quo. And thus has no desire to enact real societal change, unlike eg Baine.

I'd argue James Bond is also the same. Yes, Bond villains are evil—irrationally and comically so—but like Batman, Bond represents, enforces and protects the same hierarchic power structures and systemic injustices that give rise to these villains.

Then there is Star Wars and all this light vs dark side. But if you stop and think about it, Sith and Jedi are just two sides of the same medal. Jedi mind trick that coerces someone to do something against their will is extremely evil by its very concept. Especially in how trivialized its use is in the movies. Also, there is nothing civilized about lightsabers. These are horribly dangerous to the wielder and their opponent alike, will easily cut through hull plating by accident (a bad thing when a cm of material is all that's standing between you and hard vacuum). And would in reality not make a clean cauterized cut, but explosively flash boil the target with the end result like being blown from a cannon.

Lawful, systemic evil is the most devilish kind of evil; it's so subtle it goes unnoticed and is even celebrated as good, no doubt in no small part due to the vast propaganda machine lawful evil loves to build up around itself.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

It's not just Batman. This is a common trope in the superhero genre. Pop Culture Detective has a great video on the subject: https://youtu.be/LpitmEnaYeU

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (4 children)

To add to the star wars situation, the jedi are just as bad for the force as the sith, if not worse. They enforce a rigorous dogma that forces their own to suppress all emotion from a young age out of fear that they may be corrupted by the dark side. Not only does this literally make Darth Vader, but it leads to an entire society of emotionally stunted psychics who apparently go rogue very often. They're not sustainable.

Ignoring the new movies because I genuinely can't figure out what they're about, Anakin fulfilled the prophecy at the end of the original 3, destroying the incredibly powerful dogmatic regime of the jedi and killing both master and pupil of the sith leaving only independent, self governed force users dotting the galaxy.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

Jin-Rou

Grave of the Fireflies

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Half of US «War movies» It's not like the US soldier were less evil than the person they fight

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Are you familiar with Nazi Germany?

Just making sure.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1gcipAvplY

The Americans never fought the Nazis. The Nazis fought them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Nazis certainly were evil at their core and may be an outlier. War though? It's difficult to not call war and it's atrocities evil. Even if you can prove irrefutably that you are on the "good side", two barracks down, the next town over, a 1000ft overhead something evil could be taking place specifically because war exists, and what's evil hides easiest in chaos and death.

Conflict happens. To the single soldier. The lonely wife. The stricken Mother and Father. War rarely has a true meaning. "Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer" Javik (Mass Effect)

People tend to defend war because of their agreement or disagreement over the reason for a conflict. While there is often a morally right side and wrong side, all I really see are the lives lost.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 6 months ago

Nice speech. Not terribly relevant, but I’m sure it made you feel nice.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'd just like to point out that it wasn't the Americans who beat the Nazis, it was the Soviets

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

All while killing nearly 15 million civilians and undesirables, after being allied to the Nazis and invading Poland and then only going against the Nazis when they kept invading.

The Soviet’s were happy to carve up Europe with the Nazis.

The soviets didn’t win it single handedly by any measure, but funny joke and all.

The Soviets weren’t the good guys, they just happened to be double fucked by their bad guy ally.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Good point.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hard question because I watch so much horror..

Ex Machina

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

How is she evil? Her maker imprisoned and tortured all of his creations. She justifiably wanted to escape. She couldn't trust the kid, he lied to her about there being no other machines. If anyone was "evil" it was the rich dude.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't think she didn't trust him, I think she wasn't programmed to care about him and only saw him as a tool instrumental to her escape. Since he could no longer help, she didn't care what happened to him

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Her maker imprisoned and tortured all of his creations.

I don't recall entirely but I'm pretty sure it didn't know that. Also, I don't think you can 'torture' or 'imprison' computers.

She couldn’t trust the kid, he lied to her about there being no other machines

So, death is justifiable then?

It's an AI, and it was pretty clearly demonstrated at the end that it felt no remorse or compassion for the dude. It was very very good at manipulating the humans and achieving it's goal at any cost, so.. I completely disagree. Evil wins because living, feeling human beings suffered due to the actions of a sexy computer.

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