He revealed the secrets ! : programmer

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago

Hey dude stop it spreading it okay?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago

Turns out the people in IT don't actually make the computers either. Who'd have thought?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago

The scary thing is some people actually believe this, and NIH syndrome is unfortunately all too real lol

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago

As an aside, I recall the early days when @SwiftOnSecurity was purposely ambiguous about the distinction between the artist Taylor Swift and their technology tweets. It was delicious to see confused responses.

At some point it changed. Not sure what triggered that. I have a vague memory of a stroke, but I might be misremembering.

[+] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

No, just base-256 numbers that for some reason people call "binary"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

No, that's several abstraction layers down ... there's libraries for that.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

im convinced most developers spend more time working on making shit work, rather than actually writing code and bugfixing it.

edit: this was mostly a shitpost, and i was expecting some flack, but i got basically none. Can we have a real moment here. Are you guys doing ok? Who made you do this to yourselves?

ok, real talk over, we're going back to suffering now.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yup. Thats just enterprise software for you. Something was made requiremnts changed, and then changed again and then ypu have duct tape on top of a duct tape with a duct tape holding those duct tapes and a touch of super glu here and there. Also ducttapes are microscopic in size but the sheer quantity of them is unimaginable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

this part is pretty much expected i think. But i'm starting to see it cropping up into the more meta aspects of programming now. For instance, apps being shipped with existing deprecated packages. Seems like it's also creeping a little further into the more UI aspects of it as well.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

In times past they got shit done, and now we see that what they've done is shit and we're stuck maintaining it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Half the time it's trying to figure out where to apply the next piece of duct tape to keep the entire house of cards (and duct tape) from collapsing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

damn.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If your seriously into Access you might be a SQL dev...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

I prefer my databases in Excel. /s

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago

Ok bud, yeah right, Delete that. Delete that RIGHT NOW.

[+] [email protected] -11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I agree with the last point tbh

At the bare minimum, if you aren't capable of contributing to the library you use, then you don't deserve to use it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

If you just knew how many libraries we use...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Where'd you buy this brand of bait?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I disagree, if you aren't capable of contributing to a library you should be required to use it rather than roll your own solution.

[+] [email protected] -14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Nah you should learn

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Because software devs have the weeks/months to learn vulkan every time they want to use a GUI for their job, or to learn compiler design whenever they wanna use java for their job

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

to learn vulkan every time they want to use a GUI for their job

Not every time, just the first time. But yes. Devs should stop being so lazy

compiler design whenever they wanna use java for their job

Every dev should at least know the basics of language design and compiler design, yes. Again, you also only have to learn it once

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The best developers are the laziest.

I'd take a dev slowly using a library with a one liner than a noob writing 500 lines of code doing the same thing any day.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

That's how you end up with the unmaintainable state that enterprise software is currently in. "Just Works" mentality is a cancer

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

As someone who has written a DB handle... that shit is hard, I had to be extremely careful to protect against SQL injection. Everyone rolling their own is how we return to the Era of XSS and SQL Injection on every website. I'd prefer to have young devs use libraries and contribute as they gain knowledge.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

that shit is hard, I had to be extremely careful to protect against SQL injection

People need to learn to be careful

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They do... but the road to naturally learning that lesson comes with the cost of enabling botnets and destroying businesses. Maybe there should be a qualification exam to be a developer but when there isn't we need to make sure more junior developers have the best tools they can get to fight against foot guns.

Also, on the topic of security, a lot of good senior level developers don't have the specialized knowledge to do shit like build a password validation system that isn't vulnerable to a timing attack or know what a timing attack is...

And timezones, fuck timezones, I've written code that correctly handled timezones (and subsequently threw it away when Canada decided to DST on a different weekend). Imagine how shitty it'd be if we constantly had to reinvent the wheel when it came to timezones.

Oh, and forget about databases... do you know how fucking hard it is to write an ACID compliant WAL? The reason postgres is the default open source database (and why so many databases are just layers built on top of postgres's engine) is because it's fucking hard. Mongo still (IIRC) has consistency issues, they were a tech darling for half a decade and can't manage to NoSQL as well as Postgres.

Also, good luck building a GUI with anything more complicated than curses style box art characters.

I started mildly disagreeing with you but I disagree even more that I've thought about other tools people would need to roll on their own.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

a lot of good senior level developers don’t have the specialized knowledge to do shit like build a password validation system that isn’t vulnerable to a timing attack or know what a timing attack is

Please don't tell me that. It's terrifying

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, why? We've got billions of people driving around in cars they don't know how to build. Is that a problem too?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Yeah. Kinda actually

[–] [email protected] 40 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This the dangerous kind of parody, I would rather help people with excel programs than another access program and that's a pain in the ass.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

I draw the line at CSV ingestion.

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