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I'm sure this bastard is a shit stain that deserves to be locked away for the rest of his life. Don't let the state murder people, though. No death penalties, it's a bad, bad idea that has been outlawed in civil nations. If the US ever wishes to become a civil nation, it needs to outlaw it too.
There are still states that carry out the death sentence by firing squad, and others that still use electrocution.
It may just be Oklahoma if I'm remembering correctly about the firing squad, and I think in these instances, it's actually the prisoner's choice, I have no idea how it actually works out.
But still, my point is, the states can't even agree on a "humane" method of carrying out the death penalty, and some openly choose brutal methods.... I can't imagine a US completely free of the death penalty any time soon unfortunately.
The state should not have the right to end your life if you pose no immediate harm to anyone.
Death isn't justice. It's just death.
I strongly agree with you. I'm not against assisted suicide the same way I'm not against it for non incarcerated people. The only time I would agree with nonoptional state enforced death penalty is if the person is such a danger that they can either not be contained or are somehow able to continue to do direct harm despite all efforts of containment. This would be like trying to imprison evil Superman or professor X. Extremes only fiction has been able to create. This person wasn't even close. I am wary of assisted suicide for the incarcerated only because consent isn't a strong value for prison systems and could be faked/forcibly encouraged etc.
I disagree, taking people's lives especially premeditated like this surrenders your rights to our society in my book. And for some people, they don't get to just live in a prison forever.
If the state had the ability to end his life a week before he killed, the minute he was attempting to kill or an hour after he killed would you still say they had no right then?
What has changed in the period of those times to now?
The state is both the axe and the scales. It decides who to execute and when.
Any discussion of precognitive abilities is irrelevant and fucking ridiculous. Not only can the state not predict murder, it's not particularly good at determining who's responsible.
It can, and has, executed the wrong person. It will continue to do so so long as it has the authority to.
This means that you, innocent of any crime, can be executed by the state should the state get that particular hair up it's ass. Though, weirdly it seems to mostly go that to black men.
Because we keep putting innocent people to death because our justice system is extremely corrupt. These people are already locked up and can't do harm in society anymore so maybe we shouldn't kill them if innocent people also get killed.
Even if the system isn't corrupt, it's run by humans who make mistakes. It's only a matter of time before one of those mistakes gets an innocent person executed. The only way to execute zero innocent people is to execute zero people.
Either there is an acceptable number of innocent people that can be executed, or the government never makes mistakes. Which is it?
This is a poor argument and you know it. It is just a false dichotomy.
The same can be said about imprisonment, homelessness, slave wages/being poor and dying early.
No there is no acceptable amount.
But when people commit crimes that are extremely foul I think there needs to be a finalization. It is wrong to just let them continue
To let them continue what? Commiting crimes? Guess what, we don't, that's what prison is for. Far better than killing people because your personal opinion is that they need to die
Despite the state's monopoly on violence, they shouldnt have the right to end their citizen's life.
On average an execution costs significantly more than life in prison
Even with overwhelming evidence, in some cases you can never fully remove the chance that the person being executed has been wrongfully convicted. Idk about you, but even one innocent person getting the death penalty is enough to fully ban in in my opinion.
The majority of methods used to administer the death penalty (including in this case) are faux-humane and actually result in the person experiencing horrific, torturous pain while everyone else talks about how humane their death is
Frankly, I'd rather have someone rot in prison for decades
On top of what our Underpantsweevil said, when we dehumanize prisoner's, we open the door for other horrific acts by the state. With Nearly 1% of the US population in prison, and 76% of prisoners are forced into labor for pennies per hour, we essentially still have have slave labor in the supposed beacon of democracy.
Taking a step back, when we take all rights away from an individual, we are taking away their humanity. When we no longer view people as people, which we often do to prisoners and the homeless, we also are saying "that could never happen to me because I'm a human".
We shouldn't judge a criminal justice system by how it treats a societies most upstanding citizens, but rather those who have done the worst crimes.
I disagree, taking people’s lives especially premeditated like this surrenders your rights to our society in my book.
That's what prisons are for. They remove you from society for a set period of time (potentially indefinitely) in order to both punish you and protect others.
If the state had the ability to end his life a week before he killed, the minute he was attempting to kill or an hour after he killed would you still say they had no right then?
Flipping through the screenplay of Minority Report
It appears that giving a state official the ability to accuse individuals and summarily execute them for "pre-crime" would be an even worse idea than executing them in retrospect.
But in this case, I believe the fundamental problem with the American death penalty system is in how it overwhelmingly favors punishing the poor and uneducated while sparing the rich and well-connected. In this particular case, the problem appears to be a conflict of interests with his defense attorneys - a problem that would not exist if he'd had enough money to hire competent counsel. But we see time and again, instances of wrongful conviction (also see: The Innocence Project) and disproportionate sentencing particularly towards the mentally incompetent. We've also got a general problem with the executions themselves being beyond cruel, with "failed executions" become an increasingly common occurrence in our deplorably managed incarceration system.
What has changed in the period of those times to now?
Generally speaking, the judiciary recognizes expressions of remorse and efforts at rehabilitation/recompense to be mitigating factors in the wake of a crime (particularly crimes of passion or neglect). But these, too, are heavily weighted by one's personal wealth and political influence. Clemency from the governor/president can and has been outright purchased in the past. Meanwhile individuals who were almost certainly wrongfully convicted - most famously, Cameron Todd Willingham in Texas - have been killed after repeated efforts by the governor to prevent and forestall any attempt to re-litigate the case, entirely for partisan reasons.
Over time, we have accumulated an abundance of evidence to suggest that executions fail to deter criminal behavior, disproportionately affect people of low social status, and do periodically occur to the wrongly convicted.
In light of those facts, we have ample reason to end the practice entirely, at the absolute very least until we can consider the process more reliable and less prone towards political biases.