Comradeship // Freechat

"Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds."

You have it a little backwards. Liberals are kind of the "default" in capitalist society. Fascism could almost be considered an extension of liberalism. It has the same economic values, and often the same political values, just more "mask off" about them. You're right that a liberal who educates themselves ceases to be a liberal, but most people online are not secret fascists, or at least, not consciously so. Liberals just have a lot of overlap with fascists, that's all.

And while we joke about the paid trolls and three letter agents a lot, the truth is that there are plenty of people willing to do their dirty work for them for free. They don't need to be paid, they do it of their own volition, because they see it as "saving democracy from the evil tankies."

Ah yes it's certainly my fault that when I tried to answer a question I was met with ignorant hostility because people wanna feel good about their positions as if it's a fucking Harry Potter book.

It wasn't even an "Hwell acktually" moment, they just ignored everything I said.

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That Russiagate op really got people believing Russia is the USSR again. Like literally for years it has continuously been demonized just for existing. I'm aware that it's not a worker's state and deserves criticism for its reactionary tendencies, but nuance isn't something that seems to exist when talking about things like geopolitics, which isn't a fucking Marvel movie.

Ukraine was already becoming a de facto member of NATO before Russia intervened. NATO infrastructure was being built on its territory, interoperability was being established, it was being armed and trained by NATO and NATO operatives were already embedded in their military and intelligence apparatus. The same is true for Sweden and Finland too hence why their formal joining makes little to no difference. Russia intervened to prevent a genocide in the Donbass and to reverse the NATOization - aka Nazification and militarization - of Ukraine.

Ukraine is being treated as a de facto member of NATO as the entirety of NATO is bending over backwards to send them every scrap of military equipment they can scrounge up, to send them intelligence, to train them and help them plan military operations, and inject thousands of "trainers", "mercenaries" and "volunteers" aka NATO soldiers in disguise into the battlefield. This is not much different than what NATO would do for an official member. They also would have tried to impose a no-fly zone if they thought they could do so without their air force being absolutely wrecked by Russia.

At this point Russia has no incentive to end the conflict before Ukraine is either completely annexed so it can no longer be weaponized by NATO against Russia, or until it capitulates to all of Russia's demands, which will include the removal of the Nazi regime in Kiev and the installation of a pro-Russian government that will enshrine Ukraine's neutral and demilitarized status into permanent law/treaties. The notion that Russia should have just let the situation in Ukraine continue to fester and worsen because their intervention has pissed off NATO is infantile and naive to the highest possible degree.

Russia already tried the diplomatic route from 2014 onwards with the Minsk agreements and that turned out to be a complete sham on the part of the West and Ukraine. If anything Russia should have intervened much earlier, ideally gone in right after the Maidan to restore order and the legitimate government of Ukraine, but hindsight is 20/20.

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Can a state at war join NATO?

to basically force NATO to let Ukraine into NATO

If NATO is being forced to let in Ukraine, then why is Ukraine still not a part of NATO after all this time?

If you said this about Sweden I could understand. But everything about Ukraine joining NATO has been speculative saber rattling. As I see it they will never allow Ukraine to join.

Also there's the little detail that the "WMDs" were a lie while the Nazification of Ukraine was so obvious even the western media were writing about it, and they are still forced to address it because every time they take a photo of Kiev regime soldiers - surprise, suprise! - there is some swastika, iron cross or SS badge that the western media need to twist themselves into knots to handwave away or justify.

The gaslighting never ends. I have had people badgering me over this war and yet they couldn't even cite the official Russian reasons for the war, despite being incredibly "savvy" on all "secret" objectives.

Reddit has been only getting worse since 2015 when r/politics became the dominant force. I gave up after the admins literally did a coup on even slightly leftwing subs like r/presidentialracememes.