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Microsoft won't update your Windows 11 PC if it has these apps (www.xda-developers.com)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Wouldn't it be nice if you could just keep using Windows 10 forever, and get security updates for free?

[+] [email protected] -35 points 10 months ago (17 children)

For reference: Debian 6 which was the current release of Debian at the time Windows 10 was released hasn't received official security patches 2016, CentOS 6.6 stopped receiving them 2022. Mac OS X Yosemite latest update was released 2017...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (4 children)

It's comparing apples to oranges, that said, the current version of Debian is much closer to the UX of Debian 6 than windows 11 is to windows 10

If the point of windows is you're paying for an operating system and should then have better support than a free alternative, they should be able to push security updates, especially if they're already committed to ensuring old windows app can still run inside new windows

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

windows 10 was meant to be the last version of windows, its a bit disingenuous to compare the two that way

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Ughh i hate reading this hoax. W10 was never the last version of windows. It's a paraphrased report of one engineer at Microsoft that said that, but it was never in any official capacity confirmed

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

well the way they stopped making new windows versions after 10 (until now) seems to indicate that was the plan

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I feel bad for Windows users, they just can't catch a break can they?

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Glad they have time to call out everyone else’s problems, yet Microsoft still can’t fix their broken jan win 10 update.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is that the one where MS updated the recovery partition by including a file that's too big for that default partition? I had to manually resize my recovery partition to fix that issue

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yes. Normally, the OS "fixes" this by making a second, bigger recovery partition, but that only works if you have the space for it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well I guess 60 GB wasn't enough space for the 10mb update

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

WUMT was good to me.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Why are people still using Windows? Seems to me that the pain to use it is still not big enough. I welcome every move that increases the pain and drives people to better options.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

My job includes programming devices from manufacturers that only write their software for Windows. There are entire industries that are blind to anything but Windows due to lock-in from one or more manufacturers of devices needed for daily operations.

Some consumer products are similarly locked-in due to supporting software. There may be alternatives for common tools, but device-specific things simply won't work on Linux, 90% of the time. Sure, we can request the manufacturer support Linux in some way, but good luck getting any response let alone a working port.

Edit: Yes, it may be becoming more painful to use Windows, but until it's less painful to take the Linux path for viable alternatives, nothing will change.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The Linux or macos path, if there is one is always less painful.

If there isn't one, if the a manufacturer doesn't support other os' then you should demand this support from them. They will only listen to money. So take your money to an alternative or offer money for the support.

The point is that it's not Linux' fault that program x is not natively supported on Linux. It's the programs fault and partly yours/your employers for choosing it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Because Revit and OpenRoads designer doesn't work on Linux. And neither of my RMMs work for Linux.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Autodesk-Revit-for-Linux

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't change that it's not supported by Autodesk.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

And? If it works it works, who cares if it's officially supported or not. A large amount of stuff on Linux is only supported by the community as is. Makes no difference. All it really changes is who you report bugs to depending, e.g. The Revit-for-Linux repo, WINEHQ, then Revit.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

As I tell everyone who comes up with this kind of takes. This is not Linux's fault or responsibility. This is the specific app developer's fault.

No one screams at Google because iMessage doesn't run on Android, that would be madness. For every software package or app that doesn't run on Linux, there's usually several dozen alternatives that do. If you don't like them and want to stick with the ones you like and also try to use Linux? the move is to call out the app developers. Tell them that you want Linux support, a Linux build and to please work on that.

There's zero, absolutely nothing, nothing at all, that the developers of a OS kernel, or the maintainers of a distribution can do to force other's app to support the OS they work on.

The most we can do is offer compatibility layers like Wine that can run some Windows only software. And they can go pretty far, like Proton, which can run most games. But still there's only so much these can do. The tooling, build libraries, compilation chain, everything that exist to make an app for Windows has its counterparts for Linux. It usually only takes a couple of afternoons tinkering with config files to get a project to compile for Linux. With almost no change to the code base itself. The community usually does the bulk of the distribution part, making Flatpaks, or setting up the package for the repositories. Even then, making a RPM or DEB file is also a no-brainer. So, if your favorite app doesn't exist in Linux, it is because the developer either made the conscious decision of not supporting, or no one has ever told them that they want one, so they haven't considered it. Sometimes they deliberately make their app impossible to function on Linux, it happens, they have explicit code in their software that detects things like Wine to sabotage the OS.

The move is to write to your favorite app's developers, complaining on social media does nothing, we literally can't do anything for you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

There is no substitute for Revit on Linux. Autodesk won’t even bring it to MacOS, which is what many architects prefer. People have been asking them for years to develop for other operating systems and they don’t give a shit. The person you responded to wasn’t blaming anyone for autodesk not supporting Linux. They were answering the question of why they still use it. I use Revit every day for work and I would wipe windows from my work pc in a second if there were an alternative. I’m working on a $300m project right now where it specifically states in the contract that we must use Revit so until autodesk decides to support it or goes fully browser based, we are screwed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That still doesn't stop you from using Linux or macos on your private devices. I'm also forced to use awful software at work but that's I call a fraction of my salary pain money (Schmerzensgeld). That's fine. If it is enough I'm willing to deal with Microsoft, Autodesk and the like. But in my personal life. I have the choice and I would never use it if I don't like it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

This, 100%. Autodesk has full industries by the balls and just laughing their way to the bank.

Zero fucks for their user base and bloated buggy software. We would ditch them in an instant if AutoCAD wasn't required for prints.