Why doesn't fedi.garden mention lemmy instances?
this post was submitted on 30 Mar 2024
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Sean, I think your article is missing the most important section: alternatives to Fedi Garden.
Can you at least list a few at the end of the article?
Blocking shitty instances is great. Users should have more ability to include the instances they want to hang out with, in their own experience, but I'll almost never object to a "fuck Nazis" policy.
Blocking other instances that don't block shitty-enough instances makes sense. Hexbear is a chan board for tankies, but then .ml is only "more serious" by having mods snip and tut at anyone besides those tankies. If there's any actual Nazi instances, I don't wanna know, and I don't wanna see anybody that hangs out with them.
Blocking instances based on M'Zuck's embrace-extend-extinguish plans, yeah okay sure? That's predicting existential problems for federation as a concept.
But a list of instances... not even mentioning them... by association? That feels kinda skeezy.
I guess if it's specifically a "where you should sign up" list, versus a "here's all the servers that aren't fucking Nazis," then... okay. But if this is a solution, maybe we have deeper problems.
...I'll almost never object to a "fuck Nazis" policy.
What, as in you're always in bed with Nazis? Cause basing yourself out of sh.itjust.works at this point is a pretty good indication that you are ok with fascism.
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Finally someone with enough balls and brains.
Seems like a way of bullying community leaders into running their instances how Fedi Garden feels is appropriate. Which is intrinsically against the nature of the Fediverse, in that instances are meant to have their own autonomy.
Fedi Garden's position in this space is to be a directory, not a dictator. This feels like an overstep.
The nature of federation is that you can make your own instance with your own rules independent of a single walled garden and still participate with the other members. Create your own index if you don't like this one.
And that is exactly what Fedi Garden is going against here. This is not letting each instance to decide who they want to federate with and who not. They're telling instances to defederate threads.net or else.. That's forcing their values onto others and bullying them to do as they say. That is dictatorial.
They only list instances that share their principles. The only "forcing" being attempted here is the two of you insisting they need to list instances they don't want to list. The point of federation is that you can start your own list if you don't like their policies.
Sure, but Fedi Garden is seen as the de facto "primary" hub for this sort of information. There's a certain power dynamic at play in this sort of situation that is being weaponized.
It's like if LemmyWorld decided "We're exclusively a furry community now", after being the "main" Lemmy instance. Sure, they'd be within their right to do so, but it does a disservice to the Fediverse at large when things that can be seen as critical parts of the Fediverse's social infrastructure are suddenly slanted in any one particular way.
You cannot prevent power centers from leveraging their influence, but with federation you can route around it.
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I'm kinda against defederation or blocking anything at an instance level, unless the instance causes straight up legal issues or is literally created for the sole purpose of harassment
Well, I think Threads meets your litmus test requirements.
It is a certainty that Threads will heavily influence the future development of Activity Pub. This will inevitibly lead to the corporatization and enshittification of any service Threads can affect.
The only resistance we can offer against this is defederation and noncompliance with the will of the behemoth.
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When they have a track record like this?
ZUCK: yea so if you ever need info about anyone at harvard
ZUCK: just ask
ZUCK: i have over 4000 emails, pictures, addresses, sns
FRIEND: what!? how’d you manage that one?
ZUCK: people just submitted it
ZUCK: i don’t know why
ZUCK: they “trust me”
ZUCK: dumb fucks