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Intersectionality is a great analytical tool. Jewish Voice for Peace found themselves to be in the intersection of being both Jewish and anti-zionists. German government policies and often German people (even from the left or antifa), fail take this intersection into consideration.
But do we really need this analytical tool for this topic? When a person knows the historical relation between zionism and fascism, why would they support zionists or zionist policies?
The [pro-Palestine Jewish activist] group suspects the move was triggered by its involvement in a forthcoming pro-Palestine conference that has attracted intense scorn from the German mainstream.
Even the group itself claims the account freeze (which is, btw, not the same as 'seizing money') was due to its pro-Palestine stance (and not bc the group is Jewish).
Bank accounts shouldn't be frozen bc and organisation is Jewish nor bc its pro-Palestine, but what the title suggests is obviously completely different from the article's content.
I'd also agree with what is already said in this thread. There's a lot wrong with the way how this story is framed.
From a comment in a duplicate post
yeah, lol, they're not Jewish, they aren't a voice for Jews, and their end goal is the destruction of the Jewish state by any means necessary, they support every terrorist organization to have ever threatened and attacked actual Jews in Israel, and they are as far from a peace organization as you can possibly get. their very name is Jew baiting. they are demons.
Thats bullshit. It is particularly heinous that in Germany Germans think they get to decide who is a "real jew" and who isnt. Denying jewish ethnic or cultural heritage based on political positions is antisemtic bullshit.
Yeah, that's like current finding the shortest path. Most have been cut, but.
In general dramatic moralizing behavior and deciding who's a real Jew seems to be a phenomenon too often exhibited by Germans.
Like "our ancestors have committed terrible crimes, but we've repented and now we are somehow better for it than if those crimes wouldn't happen". People tend to try and justify that their group is exceptional from every big historical event uniting it. So I'd prefer that Germans just wouldn't touch the Holocaust card, they don't understand the limitations and thus cross them too often.
"Today should be a day of celebration for supporters of democracy and human rights worldwide, as Gazans break out of their open-air prison and Hamas fighters cross into their colonisers' territory. The struggle for freedom is rarely bloodless and we shouldn't apologise for it."
– Rivkah Brown, commissioning editor at Novara Media, on the morning of the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel
So? She's right.
10 points for the clickbaity title.
Äh, isn't what the headline describes exactly what happened?
No, it’s a bank in Germany that locked the bank account of a Jewish organization. Neither did Germany do it, nor has the money been seized
Well, the bank is owned by the state 100%. And the money is needed to fund a conference that’s trying to give the Palestinian narrative a platform.
The Palestinian narrative is btw far more in line with international law and with the findings of international human rights groups and historians (including Israeli human rights groups and historians) and even with common sense.
Therefore Germany (even more than the rest of the Western world) is quite eager to shut it up. But just as the support of Israel is our raison d'état, we want to be seen as if democracy and human rights are our raisons d'état equally.
So, like Israel plausibly committing genocide and ethnical cleansing and collective punishment, Germany is still at the stage of using pretexts and henchmen to do the dirty work of anti-democratically sabotage pro-Palestinian participation in German society's discourse.
The bank in question (Sparkasse) btw manages the account of the right-wing extremist party Heimat (former NPD), too. I wonder if they had to provide every member's name, too. What do you think?
They took away the Jewish Voice's right of disposal of the account precisely at a time when they urgently need it. While giving quite shady reasons for doing so. So I think, at least as far as we’re not talking in legal terms here, seizing is definitely a proper word to call it. Especially when used by the victims of that treatment.
Who are Jews in Germany lest you forget. And I would like to remind you of the fact, that it’s 'the Jews' that we have a moral duty (acquired by the murder of millions) to protect from injustice, not just 'the Jews who spread rightwing extremist Israeli government propaganda'.
People who don’t give a shit about Palestinian rights and lives defend Jewish Voice's treatment by the Sparkasse. But obviously they‘d rather just ignore it. Which works pretty fine throughout German politics and media. So I consider you having to defend it (at least here on social media) a little success for the Palestinian cause.
I did not defend it, I merely corrected the headline. There isn’t a grand order to seize Jewish money in Germany like the headline suggests, this is a singular problem (yes, it is a problem) and it should be reported as one. This whole issue will realistically come out in two ways: either some Sparkasse employee fucked up (accidentally or maliciously) or the organization fucked up their paperwork and the bank did a standard procedure. Either way, it will come out and it will be resolved.
Is that really less probable than Scholz, Faeser or any other relevant politician calling some bank to lock a single bank account of a single pro-palestine organization?
There is an easy way to make Pro-Palestinian voices be heard in Germany's public discourse, stop being silent about the atrocities committed by Hamas. It's not like the German public is a big fan of Netanyahu, Settlers or starving Palestinians. But it is very hard to support a group constantly victimizing themselves, while there is video footage showing members of its side celebrating the rape and murder of a woman by parading her naked corpse through the streets.
Well, the money wasn't "seized" and having jewish members doen't necessarily have anything to do with the business decision. It could, but we don't know. Also a single bank (despite being publicly owned) isn't Germany.
Well, the bank is owned by the state 100%. And the money is needed to fund a conference that’s trying to give the Palestinian narrative a platform.
The Palestinian narrative is btw far more in line with international law and with the findings of international human rights groups and historians (including Israeli human rights groups and historians) and even with common sense.
Therefore Germany (even more than the rest of the Western world) is quite eager to shut it up. But just as the support of Israel is our raison d'état, we want to be seen as if democracy and human rights are our raisons d'état equally.
So, like Israel plausibly committing genocide and ethnical cleansing and collective punishment, Germany is still at the stage of using pretexts and henchmen to do the dirty work of anti-democratically sabotage pro-Palestinian participation in German society's discourse.
The bank in question (Sparkasse) btw manages the account of the right-wing extremist party Heimat (former NPD), too. I wonder if they had to provide every member's name, too. What do you think?
They took away the Jewish Voice's right of disposal of the account precisely at a time when they urgently need it. While giving quite shady reasons for doing so. So I think, at least as far as we’re not talking in legal terms here, seizing is definitely a proper word to call it. Especially when used by the victims of that treatment.
Who are Jews in Germany lest you forget. And I would like to remind you of the fact, that it’s 'the Jews' that we have a moral duty (acquired by the murder of millions) to protect from injustice, not just 'the Jews who spread rightwing extremist Israeli government propaganda'.
People who don’t give a shit about Palestinian rights and lives defend Jewish Voice's treatment by the Sparkasse. But obviously they‘d rather just ignore it. Which works pretty fine throughout German politics and media. So I consider you having to defend it (at least here on social media) a little success for the Palestinian cause.
Also the "Jews'" in the title implies "the money of any Jewish person" essentially, when it was just a single specific organisation.
No, it doesn’t.
The headline is outright garbage given the article's content.
~~Germany~~ A German bank Is ~~Seizing~~ freezing ~~Jews~~ Jewish organization's ~~Money~~ bank account over alleged pro-Palestine stance
Yes, ir does.
Do you understand the difference between "Jewish" and "Jews'"?
One means Jewish, eg, happening to be Jewish. The other means "that of the Jews", ie collectively belonging to thr group, not just being the property of someone's from the group.
"I take Jews' money." means I take money from people who are Jewish.
As even your example shows, if I want to say that I take it from all the Jews, the wording should be the(!) Jews
But what pisses me off is: I am convinced that we’re having this stupid conversation just because you, like German media and authorities, are okay with shutting up pro-Palestinian voices, even or especially when they are Jewish.
That's not how language works, but I understand that you're desperate to defend your indoctrination.
The title implies exactly what I've said it does. To refuse that is to try to share gaslight the goy, as you'd call us.
I'm anti-genocide, which means I'm pro-palestine, because Israel is committing a genocide, killing thousands and thousands of innocents. Why would you pretend that IDF propaganda isn't as big of a thing as it is when you're supposedly "pro-Palestinian"?
This is sensationalist headlining which clearly implies that "just like in WWII when the Nazis stole the money of ALL the Jewish people, IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN, THEY'RE TAKING THE MONEY". Anyone who pretends it doesn't is either illiterate, delusional and/or severely brainwashed.
Wow, you could be the most ignorant moron I've ever met on the Internet. And the competition is tough.
I mean, there are a lot of people who just read the headline and then talk nonsense. But you're pushing the system very far.
I'll try again:
If the headline said "Germany seizes the money of the Jews", with an article, that would mean that all Jews' money is seized.
But if it says "Germany seizes Jew's money" (or "Germany seizes Jewish money"), then nothing is said about the number of Jews whose money was seized. It could be two or all of them.
You claim that in the second case all Jews' is meant because you found an article that says that articles are often(!) omitted in headlines. Exactly, often is not always! That's why you don't know at first glance whether the article was omitted here or whether it doesn't belong there at all. Since Germany has not seized the money of all Jews (because we would have heard of that!), it can only be that the money of some Jews was frozen; so the article is missing grammatically correct.
But really surprising is that you claim to be pro-Palestinian. I am happy about that, at least we have something in common. I just feel a little sorry for the Palestinians that they have to endure someone like you in their ranks of advocates. You can't choose, can you?
You don't seem to have the slightest idea about the association "Jewish Voice (for a just peace in the Middle East)" nor about Germany.
The point that the Jewish Voice makes in its report is this: They accuse Germany of exhausting its anti-Antisemitism by parroting racist Israeli propaganda and suppressing pro-Palestinian statements, to the point of the absurdity that even Jews are declared anti-Semitic if they are pro-Palestinian.
The Jewish Voice's account was most likely frozen because they used it collecting donations to fund the pro-Palestinian Palestine Conference in Berlin, Germany (in case that’s not clear yet), which is intended to provide the Palestinian voices with a larger space in the German discourse.
This is how the basic rights of Palestinians and their allies are being undermined by Germany.
You must be proud of making anti-Semitic attacks on allies of the Palestinians.
I hope they can get their bank account restored. Certainly seems like a questionable move by the bank, though it's entirely possible we're missing more context.
But also, that headline is polemic bullshit that could just as easily come from a tabloid like The Sun.
Certainly seems like a questionable move by the bank, though it’s entirely possible we’re missing more context.
There was an article yesterday explaining that the frozen account belongs to an organisation that funds other organisations. One of those is accused of supporting/funding terrorism. So at the end, the bank has no choice and nothing to decide on their own, once they get knowledge of this accused connection. Otherwise they would to get dragged into the case as well and prosecution against them could be opened. Which is why they froze the bank account for now and sent a questionnaire about the organisation and their members to evaluate the situation. That is all, nothing was seized, the title is a lie.