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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

What people want in life often comes from what they experienced themselves previously. You mentioned charity. I've put 13 years of my life into being a scouts group leader, organizimg weekly meetups, many events and multiple scout camps a year. I'm very passionate about this, since I've got so much out of being a scout since I was 7, growing up with a community, that was meaningful and not harsh and punishing as school. I wanted tp give these experience back to the next scout generation. And during my time as scout group leader I could grew even more, making my own life better through helping others. Soon I will shift my focus away from the scouts (currently its too much together with work; also I want kids soon).

I'm not saying, that you need to do this. I just wanted to explain where my motivation comes from. I get a sense of fulfilment and I'm proud of what I've done and I'm proud of the kids, that I saw growing up and now being group leaders themselves.

Finding something, that you are passionate about is very important. It doesn't need to include external responsibilities. Taking responsibility for your own self, like putting in hard work to learn a new skill, can be as fulfilling as the above.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Multiple reasons

  1. We are living beings driven to reproduce, some more than others obviously.

  2. Because that is the cultural plan we are trained to follow. You, like me, probably live in a capitalist society, everything about our existence is for the enrichment of our rulers, so that means the more you and your kids generate, the more there is for our rulers to take from us.

Never let anyone denigrate you as lazy. "Lazy" people are not the ones destroying the planet.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Because people find fulfillment in different things.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Some people are like dogs: they want to be useful & helpful.

Some people are like cats: they want to sleep 16 hours a day & meow loudly at 3am.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Cos you're a lazy bastard, like me.

Nothing wrong with it. Fill your time and life however you want.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

If those things don't make you happy then don't do them.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

I don't want to be a manager, but did have lots of kids and went to school to get a 'real' job. I think to some extent people just do things because they need to be done - I wanted a house and family so easiest way to get that was to have kids and work. I like to eat good food, having money and a garden is the easiest way to get that. It's certainly not a power trip, as someone lower down implies. More like a form of greed, if you have to look at it in a negative way. I like having a full house.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

I have to have a job, which means I have to work. If I have to work, I’d prefer it was challenging and stimulating. That doesn’t mean it’s good, but busy and challenged and better than bored and unstimulated for me personally.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago

Because they get a touch of Maslows disease

[–] [email protected] 61 points 7 months ago

There are a ton of negative comments on here, but i think the reality is: people value different things.

When you have certain values you will sacrifice certain things to practice those values/achieve those goals.

Some people value charity work because helping the community and people makes them feel good--even if it's more work on their plate.

Some people sacrifice their personal lives to achieve a career goal. Sometimes that's for financial reasons, sometimes that's for ego reasons, sometimes it's "meeting a challenge".

Some people will sacrifice their career to have less stress or focus on their family. Some people value their hobbies, relationships, personal interests to the point where they'll pick jobs that let them focus on those things--even if those jobs don't pay as well, even if they aren't "progressing" up the ladder.

And for what it's worth, your values (may) shift over time. I never wanted kids for the longest time. Then I did.

I valued career progression for ego and financial reasons--and now, that's shifted.

I sacrificed spending time with my friends when I had my kid, but now I am putting a lot of effort into those friendships because I value them and that requires work. That means I didn't take a job offer that would have paid more, so I would have time for my family and friends.

I value those things more at this point.

I value my time playing computer games, so I sacrifice my sleep so I can do that. :)

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hello, someone who went to a manager position here! I'm 100% with you, decreasing responsibility means decreasing stress and so is always a priority! However, there are a few reasons one might shoot for the moon anyway.

  1. Ambition. This is the obvious one, some people just want more. More money, more power, more prestige. That is a valid reason to push further but isn't for everyone.

  2. Empathy. Yep you read that right! Ambition isn't the only driving force to take on more responsibility. Empathy can lead people to see the ways to improve others' lives, workloads, and more!

  3. Accidents. Especially with children but also in other areas, accidents happen and can often leave people with more on their shoulders than expected.

I personally am mostly number 2. I saw the terrible leadership that my team has had in the past and the ways I could assist my team to improve. I knew all the complaints and had ideas to fix them so I took the responsibility bullet so they don't have to.

I hope this helps you see into the mind of someone who accepts responsibility, even if it means more stress and less freedom!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Empathy. Yep you read that right! Ambition isn’t the only driving force to take on more responsibility. Empathy can lead people to see the ways to improve others’ lives, workloads, and more!

I actually really resonate with that one. I pretty much ended up in the psudo-managment position I'm in because I kept seeing ways to improve life for those around me and it required me getting more and more involved in things outside of my specific role. It got to the point that I became the "go to" guy and ended up with a bunch of responsibilities, but at least the work is a little easier for those I work with directly on the factory floor and a few people in the office as well.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

@humbletightband essentially it's because more responsibility leads to more power.

Specifically, people are interested in having more power over outcomes eg avoiding hunger, discomfort, loneliness etc.

Edit: I don't mean this in a bad or selfish way, though reading back over it I can see how it could come across like that. I'm talking about having more agency and control over aspects of life for yourself and others.

That includes, say, helping with humanitarian causes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Specifically, people are interested in having more power over outcomes eg avoiding hunger, discomfort, loneliness etc.

And in many cases we need to acknowledge that this is a good thing. Everyone should be empowered to have more control and more autonomy. The problem is not everyone is afforded that luxury.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

@whoisearth yes I meant it as a good thing. Control and power to effect changes we want in the world are good things.

I've had to go back and edit my comment because some people seem to have taken it in a very different spirit to how it was intended.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Do you think society would get to the point it is if everyone just wanted more power for selfish reasons? I think it's more to do with the feeling of fulfillment that comes with responsabilities. Helping people feels good, even when you get nothing in return. Unless you expect something in return, then we're playing a different game. But your outlook on life seems pretty bleak my friend.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

@wathek woah I think we're having a misunderstanding. I don't think it's "selfish" to want to have more power/control over outcomes???

One of the things @humbletightband was asking about was why people volunteer. I was responding to that part as much as anything else in the comment.

Helping people feels good

Yes it does, especially if you actually do help them. That's effecting change though. Stepping up gives you more power to actually change the world for the better, at least for the people you help. That's what I'm getting at.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't think it's necessarily bleak or selfish though, it might just be overly succinct. Sure, you can look at it as wanting power purely for selfish reasons, but I think they just boiled it down to the most basic aspect of "more responsibilities = more power = the ability to do more". You can use it however you want, hopefully altruistically, but at the end of the day a pure altruist who is well connected person with unlimited financial resources can help a lot more people than if they were broke and destitute on the edge of starvation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

maybe, but i see quite a few similar reactions in this thread that make me wanna leave this place. its just slowly starting to sink in for me that lemmy is a lefty echo chamber and its basically the same 20 posts rehashed every week by people with worldviews like this. how tf can anyone expect to change anything without hope. Idk man, im just dumping my thoughts but i think im gonna get the hell off this platform and anything similar because it's not having a positive effect on me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

@wathek I'm really bummed out that my comment made you want to leave!!

@skyspydude1 is right, I was just trying to point out to OP that the old saying "with power comes responsibility" actually cuts both ways and taking on more responsibility gives many people more agency and control over their lives.

how tf can anyone expect to change anything without hope.

I'm still kind of reeling here because I was trying to be encouraging not despairing. I think maybe the word "power" might have some negative connotation for you?

Cards on the table, I think the old Christian binary between altruism (good) and self-interest (bad) does us all a huge disservice. Helping others altruistically and making the world a better place is in our own best interests. We're all humans together.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's not just Lemmy, it's all of social media that isn't focused on people's self-promotion (Instagram, LinkedIn etc). The leftist stuff is fairly accurate, but that's not a big deal to me.

Social media algorithms have driven the content engagement, and they figured out that controversy and anger drives the most engagement, so that's what the algorithms tend to push to drive engagement, to get more ad revenue and data from people spending more time on their platforms.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

@RaoulDook I don't think we have that kind of algorithm here, thankfully.

The person you're replying to fundamentally misunderstood my comment though.

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