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Setting aside the usual arguments on the anti- and pro-AI art debate and the nature of creativity itself, perhaps the negative reaction that the Redditor encountered is part of a sea change in opinion among many people that think corporate AI platforms are exploitive and extractive in nature because their datasets rely on copyrighted material without the original artists' permission. And that's without getting into AI's negative drag on the environment.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

"Redditors vent and complain"

News at 11.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 7 months ago (10 children)

Funny, just this morning I woke up to someone commenting on one of my pieces of art that I'd posted on Reddit that if I hadn't put in the comment how I did it, they'd have thought it was an AI generated picture.

It's super-painful to be a technologist and an artist at the same time right now because there are way too many people in tech who have no understanding of what it means to create art. There's people in the art community who don't really get AI either, of course, but since they are trending towards probably the right opinion based on an incomplete understanding of what the things we see as AI actually are, it's much easier to listen to them. If anything, the artists can labor under the misapprehension that the current crop of AI tools are doing more than they actually are.

In the golden age of analog photography, people would do a print and include the raw borders of the image. So you'd see sprocket holes if it's 35mm film or a variety of rough boundaries for other film formats. And it was a known artistic convention that you were showing exactly what you shot, no cropping, no edits, etc. The early first version of Instagram decided that those film borders meant "art" so of course they added the fake film borders and it grated on my nerves because I think it was the edges from a roll of Velvia, which is a brilliant color slide film. And then someone would have the photo with the B&W filter because that also means "art" but you would never see a B&W Velvia shot unless you were working really hard on a thing. So this is far from the first time that a bunch of clueless people on the tech side of the fence did something silly out of ego and ignorance.

The picture I posted is the result of a bunch of work on fabbing, 3D printing, FastLED programming, photographic technique, providing an interesting concept to a person and an existing body of work such that said person would want to show up to some random eccentric's place for a shoot, et al. And, well... captions on art exist for a reason, right? It adds layers to the work to know that the artist was half-mad when they painted it and maybe you can tell by the painting's brushwork or just know your art history really well but maybe you can't and so a caption helps create context for people not skilled in that particular art.

And, there's not really "secrets" in art. Lots of curators and art critics will take great pains to explain why Jackson Pollock or Mark Rothko so if you are still wandering around saying "BUT IT LOOKS LIKE GIANT SQUARES" that's intentional ignorance.

Now, I've been exploring my particular weird genre of art for a while now. Before AI, Photoshop was the thing. Much in the same way as I could have thrown a long enough prompt into a spicy-autocomplete image generator, I also could have probably photoshopped it. Then again, the tutorials for the Photoshop version of the technique all refer back to the actual photographic effect.

Describing something as it's not has long been a violation of social norms that people who are stuck in a world of intentional ignorance, ego, and disrespect for the artistic process have engaged in. In the simultaneous heyday of Second Life and Flickr, people wanting to treat their Second Life as their primary life caused Flickr to create features so people could mediate this boundary. So, on one level, this isn't entirely new and posting AI art in the painting reddit is no different from posting filtered Second Life to the portrait group on flickr. It's simple rudeness of the sort that the unglamorous aspects of community moderation are there to solve for.

I have gotten quizzed about how I make my art, but I've never seen anybody go off and then create a replica of my art, they've always gone off and created something new and novel and interesting and you might not even realize that what got them there was tricks I shared with them it's so different. Artists don't see other art in the gallery and autocomplete art that looks like what they saw, they incorporate ideas into their own work with their own flair.

Thus, there's more going on than just mere rudeness. I've been doing this for a long time now and the AI companies have a habit of misrepresenting exactly what content they have stolen to train their image models. So it's entirely likely that the cool AI picture that someone thinks my art looks like is really just autocompleted using parts of my art. Except I can't say "no" and if there was a market for people making art that looks roughly like mine, I'd offer paid workshops or something.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The anti AI movement is so interesting. Its what I imagine how people would have imagined other progress like the printing press

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (9 children)

The analogy doesn't work. The difference is that this "printing press" is stealing massive amounts of creative work and calling it its own, and using massive amounts of energy to do so.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

AI doesn't exist, it's all machine learning or LLMs.

They're just self-glorified public domain contributors.

There is no AI art

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

General AI doesn't exist. Intelligent systems and agents very much do exist.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

The field of AI would never develop if everything they made along the way had to be thrown away as "not real AI".

At one point, getting computers to understand the rules of chess at all was part of the AI field. So was Conway's Game of Life, which uses a few simple rules to simulate cellular organisms and create some fascinating patterns. Optimizing compilers and virtual machines also came out of AI research.

The "not real AI" meme has no basis in the history of the field.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Despite what people with no knowledge of the field will tell you, Machine Learning and LLMs fall under the category of AI. What you're looking for is a very specific type of AI. If AI art doesn't exist, it would be because the art usually doesn't have meaning or effort, not because AI doesn't exist.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Intelligence is the misnomer. It's like calling airplanes 'artificial birds' (credit Don Norman).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

~~Humans create art, AI generates images based on other's art.~~

~~AI art is a contradiction in its own wording.~~

~~There is no AI art, just large collections of public domain images labeled as "AI art"~~

I misread, just woke up.

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