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Former President Donald Trump must pay writer E. Jean Carroll over $83 million in damages for repeatedly defaming her, a jury found Friday.

The nine-person jury began deliberations in federal court in New York at 1:40 p.m. ET and reached a verdict in just under three hours.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago

God sent Trump… to rape women and harass them relentlessly while encouraging others to threaten their lives. God be praised. Praise be to the rapist messiah.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (2 children)

People in this thread saying he's not going to pay. How can he just not pay if it's a court order? Genuinely curious how that works. (Assuming the appeal is denied or whatever the final number he owes is).

[–] [email protected] 45 points 9 months ago (9 children)

Someone can probably give a better answer, but it starts by him not paying.

He will appeal the result and that could easily take another year or so, during which time he doesn't pay.

Then he will just not pay, that will take some time since you can't complain to the courts that he didn't pay after 1 day, it probably takes at least 90 days, but realistically probably closer to 120 or 150 days so that he is REALLY overdue.

Then he is given a grace period to respond, that's another 30 to 60 days. He'll just say that he can't. That goes back and forth for a while, at least 6 months total.

Eventually the courts might put some sort of lien on Trump's income except he doesn't make money the traditional way, so it won't pay out. That takes another 6 months or so.

Then maybe they start going after assets. Assets aren't just free, so that takes even more time.

Also during all of this Trump moves assets around. He isn't allowed to, but he's already not allowed to and he has.

At some point in this process an agreement for a settlement is brought up. Trump will offer pennies on the dollar, which no one will accept. Trump will use this to bide even more time.

It's neverending legal maneuvering. Just bullshit on bullshit on bullshit. Eventually someone gives up or dies. It takes tens of tens of years. At any point Trump can just start to pay a little bit of it, then stop after a few months and the process starts again.

BTW if you don't pay your bills the full fury comes down on you. No baby gloves.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

[Nelson voice] Haw Haw!

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

So, we getting new Trump NFT cards? I need to complete the set.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Haven't seen you around in a while. Glad you're back. Can always count on you for a quality comment 😂

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I get banned because… reasons. Hope you’re doing well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Ditto, and glad you're back in action. See ya around!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

capricious moderation. that's why.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I don’t mind. It keeps me from being stagnant and reminds me to adapt to the reader.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Same link got submitted within minutes of each other, need to pick which one stays and which ones go.

Keeping the one with the most upvotes and comments, congratulations! A winner is you!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

(In Nelson’s voice) “HA-HA!”

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I'd be fine if he keeps doing this and Carroll just bleeds him and his supporters dry and she becomes mega rich

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Punitive damages are capped under a million anyways

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That depends on the circumstances of the case. In the case of certain federal crimes, murder, rape, and certain types of arson being a nonexhausive list, there's no cap.

IANAL, but the ideas of Molon Labe, and FAFO are written into federal law, in multiple areas

Edit: obviously this comment is talking about the US

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Tell that to the judge

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

So can someone who knows tell me: how likely is it that she collects this?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

According to other reporting, unless Trump successfully appeals it's very likely he will need to pay, and hewould be forced to sell assets if necessary. Even if he had some success on appeal, he'd still have to pay something. Although, no one was mentioning him declaring himself supreme leader if elected.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I wilt have thought zero, but she did get the $5m from the last case.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Didn’t know that, so that’s hopeful. I always just assume there’s ways for people like this to string it out and avoid paying.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Can we start a pool on when/if he actually pays?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

If it's paid at all, it'll be out of simp donation money.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

He already paid the previous $5 million. Technically it's in an escrow pending appeal, so Carroll doesn't have it yet. But regardless, Trump is out $5 million.

Now Trump has four choices:

  1. Pay the $83 million to Carroll

  2. File an appeal, which means either paying $83 million into an escrow account or putting a lien on his properties and getting a bank to pay $83 million into an escrow account. Either way, Carroll gets the money as soon as she wins the appeal

  3. Do nothing. This is the worst option, because after 30 days Carroll's lawyers would start choosing Trump properties to auction off and/or directly withdrawing money from his bank accounts.

  4. Declare bankruptcy. This could introduce a delay, but it will inevitably result in Trump properties being auctioned off.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't New York have a lien on most of his properties with their fraud case?

I guess he will likely will try to appeal the amount and leverage another lein onto his properties. He could also use his grift money from the PAC's to pay into the escrow.

Of course his appeal will go swimmingly when he defames her again in 3... 2... 1...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

He can't appeal the amount. He has to put the amount into escrow before he can appeal. That's standard practice for courts, so that people don't try to weasel out of paying. Trump isn't the first person to lose a big lawsuit....

If all of Trump's properties are under lien and he has nothing left in his bank accounts, then that leaves option 4.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Option 3 doesn't seem to be working for Alex Jones's creditors.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

He chose option 4, and his estate is facing liquidation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Is it considered paying if it's forcefully garnished?

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