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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

another one will rise no doubt, either they use a platform that doesn't care for DMCA's or they play the whack-a-mole game with the enforcers

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What a useless gesture. It's git code. So long as it remains on one machine, you can upload it to any git instance.

No one should be surprised though that GitLab is protecting their business.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It was an anonymous DMCA takedown with spelling mistakes, they're just being extra careful. Plus Suyu isn't going anywhere, it's run by junior devs with 0 experience. Sudachi is run by one guy and he's made more tangible progress, just for reference.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Like I said, it's an empty gesture. Unless Nintendo seizes the computers of all the devs, the code will live on and uploading it somewhere is very very easy.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago

Aren't there any git services hosted in countries like Russia?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We need federation of sourceforges FFS.

CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I've been seeing for a while comments like yours that put a license link at the end of the comment. Can you explain to me the benefits of doing that or is it makes any difference? If I'm not mistaken the content posted on a Lemmy instace adheres to the license that the instance is using.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (5 children)

It's purely for commercial AI on my end. Researchers have gotten LLMs to spit out their training data: street addresses, medical data, entire comments, and of course licenses.
Some countries are still deciding whether commercial LLMs are infringing on copyright by training on copyrighted material without approval, others have already decided. I think the major economical zones that will impact legality will be the USA, EU, and China.

Until a decision has been made, I'll continue adding the "free for all except commercial use" license.


Also, copyright is very complicated. If you copy an entire article from a newspaper and paste it into a post on a lemmy instance, which license does it have? That of the newspaper or that of the lemmy instance? If it's the former, then what's the difference if it comes from your brain and not a newspaper? Would it make a difference if the comment were written first on a blog and then copied to lemmy? If it's the latter, then what's the point point of the newspaper or the author ever copyrighting it somewhere else if it can just be overridden?
Next question regarding copyright, since comments are copied and stored on different servers, who would then own the copyright? The lemmy instance sending the comment or the one receiving it?

I'm not a lawyer and probably things aren't clear cut. Might be one in one country and a different thing in another.

CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My understanding of the Creative Commons licenses is that they are for providing permission to people to use something that they wouldn't be able to otherwise, due to copyright or other issues. I don't think the licenses are capable of limiting what people can do with something if it's already the wild west, or do I have that wrong?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You're free to click the link 🙂 The terms are stated quite clearly.

NonCommercial — You may not use the material for commercial purposes .

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Oh I clicked the link, mate, and read through a couple links deep. What I'm saying is that my understanding of the license is that it allows permissions for a restricted item, but it does not restrict an item with open permissions. You know what I mean? You need to be a rights holder of something that is protected by copyright or the like, and then you can use this license to open permissions in certain ways, in this case that the item can be used for non-commercial means. So this wouldn't work with stuff on Lemmy, right?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Yeah, that's not how I understand it, mate. It's a copyright license with "some rights reserved" instead of "all rights reserved".

Also text can be restricted. Just because a newpapers publishes an article to public without a paywall, doesn't mean the text is without copyright. Additionally, it's not necessary to be a registered, commercial entity in order to be a rights holder. Somebody who makes a video of an event has the right and ability to sell it to news broadcasters. It doesn't have to a freelancer or a TV studio - any private person may do so.

Of course, this all changes per jurisdiction and we're on the internet, which makes things even more complicated.

CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

People have been telling them that for months.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Now I need to consider Gitea and Codeberg. Thanks for the reminder GitLab.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

They're required to take down content following a DMCA takedown request. It's up to the uploader to counterclaim if they're so inclined, at which point they're able to put it back up.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Don't use Gitea, use Forgejo - it's a hard fork of Gitea after Gitea became a for-profit venture (and started gating their features behind a paywall).

Codeberg has switched to Forgejo as well.

Also, there's some promising progress being made towards ActivityPub federation in Forgejo! Imagine a world where you can comment on issues and send/receive pull requests on other people's projects, all from the comfort of a small homeserver.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (5 children)

What features are paywalled?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago

ActivityPub integration on git remote repos sounds very interesting. Thanks for sharing that, I'll definetely take a look at Codeberg/Forgejo.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

Can't wait for forge federation, it's super annoying that I need an account for each individual instance just to report a bug

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

codeberg also removes piracy related projects... gitea is certainly an option tho

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Still mad it isn't named 2zu

At least it seems suyu has devs now though

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If someone needs the name of the next fork, I'd suggest "Yutu". (or Ettu)

[–] [email protected] 87 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Is it 100% confirmed now that the DMCA is from Nintendo themselves? I find it weird that they'd go after (initially small) forks when Ryujinx exists.

The Suyu team also hosts their code under https://git.suyu.dev, so I wouldn't exactly call it dead (yet).

[–] [email protected] 48 points 7 months ago

There is no confirmation that this came from Nintendo, nor does it list the actual infringing parts like a normal takedown request should.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

They already have their own Forgejo instance at git.suyu.dev

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Just torrented it out of spite. I don't even care about the system...I own one and I don't play it because they got the A and B buttons backwards (that's a joke)

Edit: also, everyone should see this.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

they got the A and B buttons backward

I can't tell if you're joking or what

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

What is arguably even more egregious is having X/Y backwards. On a graph, X is the horizontal axis, Y is the vertical axis. Xbox got it right.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I have permanent Xbox brain, so I'd say they made an oopsie daisy even though I grew up on SNES

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I don't know about this one, I have ps/xbox brain as well, but putting confirm on the right side somehow always made more sense to me, even though my muscle memory doesn't agree.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

FWIW, the PlayStation was meant to have the Nintendo button layout too. In Japan, O is synonymous with “yes/good” sort of like a check mark (✅) and X means “no/bad”. So the X and O buttons were meant to be used in that way. But western game devs didn’t know that, and designed their games with X as confirm and O as decline.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Still, its a weird situation right?

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean, if you're going to scream "I'm doing this!" as loud as you can, it's not a surprise when you get noticed.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

That was the intention. Even the name Suyu is to bring more eyes

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago (1 children)
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