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Everywhere I look there are people advocating for defederation from this and that! Do you even understand what you're suggesting? Do you get what's the point of decentralized social media and activity pub?

This is supposed to be free and accessible for everyone. We all have brains and can decide who to interact with.

If meta or any other company manages to create a better product it's just natural that people tend to use it. I won't use it, you may not use it and it's totally fine! It's about having options. Also as Mastodon's CEO pointed out there's no privacy concern, everything stays on your instance.

Edit: after reading and responding to many comments, I should point out that I'm not against defederation in general. It's a great feature if used properly. Problem is General Instances with open sign-ups and tens of thousands of users making decisions on par of users and deciding what they can and can not see.

If you have a niche or small community with shared and agreed upon values, defederating can be great. But I believe individual users are intelligent enough to choose.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We are trying to prevent a repeat of Google with xmpp.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

This and having a fuckton of scummy users being sent our way by accounts like Libs of TikTok. Harassment will be unbearable and large-scale, especially for tiny instances.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

If an instance you’re in defederates, just start your own. Why complain about what people want to do in their instances? Just find another one.

Yes, that’s exactly how you sound.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

But what do you do when a known Dictator walks in?

Meta is going to establish itself, and go back to old habits once it's on top in the fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Part of being free and accessible for everyone is allowing defederation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Copying this from another comment I made. Defederating would pretty much cut off a lot of potential new users that want to see posts on Threads while also not wanting to have a Meta account and all the issues that come with it. People here need to realize that they are in an echo chamber. Mastodon and Lemmy needs users and content. Cutting a big portion of that would kill it in the long run. There would be nothing to "extinguish" in the first place in their complaints of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Defederating would pretty much cut off a lot of potential new users that want to see posts on Threads while also not wanting to have a Meta account and all the issues that come with it.

Kinda the point, no? Kill Threads in the cradle by denying it access to the fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exactly, I have a lot of normie friends that use threads, I don't want to use it but would love to interact with them. Best of both worlds

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

if you interact with them, you’re “using” threads

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Glad you said this. People demanding large instances like this one defederate from stuff they don't personally like are, frankly, very mislead and trying to be little dictators. That's not their decision to make.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Defederation is a feature, not a weakness.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Defederation is an important tool and is part of what makes the fediverse work. In my experience, people who are strongly defederation averse are mostly either quite new to the fediverse or have the relative privilege of never having to really deal with bad actors especially en masse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I'm not new to this, though usually not very active poster. so yes I have not experienced much harassment tbh.

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