This should help to drive down the price of dog meat in the US.
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In the attempt to seem intellectual, people say the craaaaaziest things. Is it that hard to believe that dogs are different from other animals, both domesticated and otherwise? I don't even think you need to be an animal behaviourist to understand that some animals are much, MUCH more emotionally intelligent than others. Comparing a dog to a chicken or cow is just nuts to me.
You don't seem to know a lot about cows. Maybe you should check out some of these short videos and see if you still feel the same:
https://youtu.be/ydddaVf38PI?si=b7sv_v7gs4WHljUP
https://youtube.com/shorts/PbLUz3RIAoA?si=WCBebHNXrZHXrZcz
Might be hard to believe but I don't put much weight in tiktoks
Not at all, you seem exactly the type to ignore the evidence staring you in the face.
Dodo videos? Nah, I'm good thanks lol
You could always read a research article like this one or any of the ones cited in the numerous pages of references, but I'm guessing you won't.
That was a good paper, but it inferred complex emotional capacity from things like "these herd animals feel comfortable in herds," and "mother cows were distressed when separated from their calves". It also says that in terms of cognition, they are less intelligent than pigs and goats. It's a great summary, but not a smoking bullet. And I'm not sure what you believe about me, but I don't think cows should be treated poorly. Just that dogs should be treated better.
Fair enough, I see your point and I do agree that dogs should be treated better, but more because of the fact that we bred them to be man's best friend and I think we owe them as much. It seemed to me you were implying that they were incomparable, and I suppose we could have avoided some snarkiness if I hadn't implied you were ignorant about cows, my apologies.
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"Breeding animals for consumption is fine, except this one."
It is slightly odd how people are like, "cows? Gimme that burger. Sheep? Mmm, mint sauce. Chicken? Batter that baby up". But then suddenly everyone turns into a vegan when it's a dog or a horse.
I've got no interest in eating dog meat, but where's the consistency?
We domesticated a highly emotionally intelligent animal. Who cares if there's "consistency", if they were killed to make it consistent it wouldn't be better.
I think he's arguing that if that's better, then why not ban everything else? Cows are domesticated and just as emotionally intelligent as a dog.
Cows were domesticated for the explicit purpose of being livestock, not companions. I do think they are intelligent, but I don't believe their emotional intelligence is higher than that of a dog. Dogs literally evolved(bred) eyebrows to facially emote. Having been around cows, and known many farmers with cows and dogs, their emotional intelligence isn't as apparent. I am not trying to say cows don't deserve compassion and rights, and frankly eating them is definitely immoral to some degree (yet I still do it). If we were feeding our livestock food scraps and not this corn eco-nightmare and humanely slaughtering, I dont think it would be. But dogs aren't livestock and are clearly very social animals akin to our similarly protected animals like dolphins, whales, cats, etc. We make excuses for some cultures who are actually dependent on whales/seals etc because of actual longstanding tradition, sustainable harvesting practices, and somewhat humane (or at least no different from a predator/prey in nature), but we don't need to make the same excuse for an industrial society not dependent on dogs and filled with nonsense about dog and cat meat's healing properties
I guess for me, whatever difference in emotional intelligence a whale, dog, or cat has from a cow just isn't enough to categorize them differently. For me it's splitting hairs. I suspect it's a symptom of working backwards to a solution from a problem. As a society we don't like killing these animals. Why? Because we live more closely with them / enjoy their personality. Let's call them emotionally intelligent and ban the consumption of meat from these types of animals.
Seems like an arbitrary definition arising out of an emotional response.
All this being said, I still eat meat. But I forced myself to come to terms with this, with as little guilt as possible. That helps me reduce and avoid my meat intake and support more alternative forms of protein. Something I think everybody could benefit from.
It's not the emotional intelligence alone. It's the result of dogs being bred for cohabitation/work, while the cow was livestock, which includes em int. It's not splitting hairs, it's genetics and evolution fueled by deliberate breeding.
It's purely for a cheap optics win. President Yoon is a fascist incel that has been taking L after L, so he worked to ban dog meat despite almost nobody eating it except the absolute poorest of society. Dog meat isn't a delicacy, it wasn't something people ate because they saw it as high status, it was largely abandoned by an increasingly westernized South Korea, except for those who couldn't afford anything else. Barely anyone was eating it.
Instead, it's virtue signaling by a fascist looking to grab cheap publicity wins rather than actually making good systemic change. Dog meat wasn't an especially pressing concern, it was an almost gone practice out of necessity, coming from food insecurity, especially during and after the Korean War.
TL;DR still a good thing, but ultimately just a publicity stunt to distract from the fascist President Yoon butchering the economy and targeting women, minorities, and disabled people.