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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Dumb. Federation is how we escape from every cloud-based service being a dictatorship of the person who owns the platform. That includes federating with privately own orgs to provide them an exit.

By all means make good tools to allow individual users to block Threads (or other private instances ruled by amoral coporations), but doing it at instance level is just dumb.

edit: also, number of instances doesn't matter. Number of daily active users matters. Most users are on mastodon.social, mastodon.cloud, lemmy.world, hachyderm.io, lemmy.world, etc. And all of those are federating. The only large instance that is not federating with threads is mas.to

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Forgive me for repeating this, but I think it's a great analogy and explains all of our thoughts about it:

I've used this analogy before, but threads is like a huge, 5k passenger cruise ship docking in a small town in Alaska. You don't have to know ahead of time that the 2 public bathrooms, one at the general store and the other at McDonalds, aren't going to be enough. You can also forecast the complaining about how everything isn't really tourist ready. It will suck for everyone. The small museum will be overrun and damaged, the people will be treated like dirt. It's an easy forecast.

Here's the important bit, just because they've never been in the cruise line business, doesn't mean you have to give them a chance to ruin your town.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

If you federate with something too massive though it has undue weight on the entire system. It is likely to be Embrace, Extend, Extinguish again, and it's reasonable to want to avoid that.

For people who don't remember, the pattern would be something like:

  1. Federate and use the existing ecosystem to help you grow and to grow mutually (Embrace)
  2. Add new features that only work locally, drawing users away from other instances to your own (Extend)
  3. Defederate - the remainder is left with a fraction of the users since many moved away, so the users on the local instance don't care. (Extinguish)

It depends whether 2 actually succeeds at pulling users in. Arguably most people already on the Fediverse are unlikely to jump ship to Facebook, but you have to consider what happens in a few years if it's grown, but Facebook is a huge name which makes people less likely to join other instances.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

What I hate to see, even in this thread, is people turning on each other in this "us vs. them", "you're either a part of the pact or you're against us" nonsense

Let's all remember why WE ALL CHOSE to get on the fediverse and build it. The strength of the fediverse comes from the freedom for each instance to choose how to run things. My understanding is that no one in an instance is harmed if some other instance chooses to federate or defederate from Threads.

I hate Meta. I also know that Meta doesn't need to do anything to take down the fediverse if we do it ourselves.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (8 children)

Part of it is just today's polarized political climate, especially since the popularity of the Fediverse is partially a backlash to reactionaries taking over Twitter and the corporate enshittification of Facebook and Reddit.

Everything is a war now, and solidarity and boycotts are basically the only weapons that small, independent actors have. So people apply "don't cross the picket line" thinking to everything, even where it doesn't make sense.

Want to act properly? Contribute money and labour towards your instances. Help them build better moderation tools so they can handle the flood of crap from Threads, and onboarding tools and better UX so they can steal away the Threads users.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yay ban evasion?

Sorry if that's not you, see you soon if it is.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

That is not censorship, my smooth friend. Nobody is censoring anybody in this context.

If you turn your tv off during a newscast are you censoring the broadcaster?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Handy site to check your instances thread-blocking status.

https://fedipact.veganism.social/?v=2

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (4 children)

What a fucking hateful choice of colours. Green for blocking and red for allowing communication. Really shows what kind of perspective the creator has.

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