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    [–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    I use i3wm btw

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    I feel like the window manager is important, but for newbies I also consider the package manager and overall installation process to be very important.

    I've had pretty distros that are basically busted after a package fails to install or video drivers are mucked with. An advanced user could fix most of these issues, but this is usually where a new user may go running back to their previous OS.

    A good computing experience for me is all my hardware working with minimal fuss and all the software I expect to be available being a few terminal commands away (e.g. steam, developer tools, etc.)

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

    I've had pretty distros that are basically busted after a package fails to install or video drivers are mucked with.

    Ubuntu?

    [–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    #You are perfectly right.

    All major distributions offer all major Environments. I currently use either Debian or Ubuntu and usually install by booting the Netinstall.iso right from the official Servers which installs just the base system without any GUI at all. Then I use tasksel to select the environment. Ok, not every Environment is part of Tasksel but often it is just adding another Repository and running another apt install operation.

    And yes, on my experimental computer I often install a dozen environments just because I can. Selectable at Login-Screen.

    But now somethings VERY important from someone with 35 years of POSIX experience:

    If you are a newby FOR GODS SAKE USE UBUNTU.

    And if you are a pro... Ubuntu still is a very good option. Only if your have VERY GOOD REASONS which you COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND, only then use something else. Which is Debian for me.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

    If you are a newby FOR GODS SAKE USE UBUNTU.

    As someone who only a couple of years ago made the jump to linux. I'd also recommend PopOS super easy to start with.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    PopOS is a sure way of getting into ten times more problems than Ubuntu.

    Seriously, I know them all. Started with NetBSD in 1991, used pretty much everything.

    If your system isn't super weird then Ubuntu is the most relaxed experience you will ever have as a newby.

    (And yes, I am not using Ubuntu currently. But then, I hat 35 years of POSIX/Unix/Linux experience)

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

    How?

    I actually had more issues with Ubuntu than popos. And the one audio issue I had, the system76 guys were fantastic.

    Ubuntu is filled with bloat these days, and your actually better off with straight Debian than Ubuntu. Not to mention as a whole Ubuntu has made some 'questionable' decisions in recent times

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

    Until you use software that without up front notice Ubuntu decides to move from APT to Snap without a migration process in place for your settings or credentials. Like has happened with Telegram and with Chromium. And then stuff breaks in ways where you as a noobie would have no idea how to fix.

    This is exactly what happened with the Ubuntu setup on my parents' laptop and I've since moved everything over to Linux Mint for them so they don't have to deal with that anymore.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

    I've had way more issues with Ubuntu than with Fedora.

    Like after multiple updates I was stuck at some initramfs prompt

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    If you are a newby FOR GODS SAKE USE UBUNTU.

    As an IT professional, I use Ubuntu LTS only because I don't want to spend my time tinkering around with the OS itself.

    Basically, it's this comic:

    All my hare-brained development ideas are more or less sandboxed in Docker containers. Rarely I need to schlep out to Sourceforge to get the right app for something. Most of the time there's an apt or flatpack thing for what I'm up to, but I do go on a spree purging all that from time to time.

    My only complaint is with Nvidia driver support/quality/maintenance, but I get that's not Canonical's fault.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

    I use Arch because not only am I into self abuse, I also enjoy being publicly flogged whenever I ask for help, which is never, because anytime I have a problem with it, there's a pretty good chance someone else has asked before me.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

    And for new users choosing a distro with big user base (thus having a better support system) should be a top priority. Instead newbies are often advised to use an obscure distro that in theory might be a good fit, but isn't. Probably those who do the recommendations are Linux testers (using VZ) rather than Linux users and mostly evaluate a distro based on install process and out of the box usage.

    Configuring a big distro to your needs is much better than choosing a nishe distro.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    I don't use a DE, BTW.

    • guess right which distro I use and win a pet!
    [–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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    [–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

    All the cookies you want ! They are already delivered to your browser of choice. Check inside 👍

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    I do not fear OpenBSD, but FVWM... it scares me.

    [–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

    fvwm95 is nice though...

    But for me my secret forbidden love is still AmiFVWM, an FVWM clone with the look of AmigaOS 3.1.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    It's like learning how to interact with Lemmy, and then deciding which app you want to use to interact with it.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

    Voyager for the win!

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Great take. But you know the real sneaky one that trips you up? File system.

    I wouldn't call myself a beginner, but every time I install a Linux system seriously I see those filesystem choices and have to dig through volumes of turbo-nerd debates on super fine intricacies between them, usually debating their merits in super high-risk critical contexts.

    I still don't come away with knowing which one will be best for me long-term in a practical sense.

    As well as tons of "It ruined my whole system" or "Wrote my SSD to death" FUD that is usually outdated but nevertheless persists.

    Honestly nowadays I just happily throw BTRFS on there because it's included on the install and allows snapshots and rollbacks. EZPZ.

    For everything else, EXT4, and for OS-shared storage, NTFS.

    But it took AGES to arrive to this conclusion. Beginners will have their heads spun at this choice, guaranteed. It's frustrating.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Ext4 is the safe bet for a beginner. The real question is with or without LVM. Generally I would say with but that abstraction layer between the filesystem and disk can really be confusing if you've never dealt with it before. A total beginner should probably go ext4 without LVM and then play around in a VM with the various options to become informed enough to do something less vanilla.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    and then play around in a VM with the various options to become informed enough to do something less vanilla.

    This part is skippable, right? Any reason a user should ever care about this?

    (note: never heard of LVM before this thread)

    [–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

    It makes adding space easier down the road, either by linking disks or if you clone your root drive to a larger drive, which tends to not be something most "end users" (I try not to use that description but you said it heh) would do. Yes, using LVM is optional.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

    I did NTFS because both windows and Linux can read it. Do I know literally any other fact about formatting systems? Nope. I'm pretty sure I don't need to, I'm normie-adjacent. I just want my system to work so I can use the internet, play games, and do word processing.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    There's Two Main Choices:

    Packages....

    1. Pacman-based - Arch, Arco, Endeavour
    2. RPM-based - Fedora, SuSE
    3. Aptitude-based - Ubuntu, Debian

    Choose Pacman for rolling release, bleeding edge. Pick aptitude for servers and pick RPM if you want something that 'just works'.

    Desktop....

    1. Full DE - Gnome, KDE
    2. Window Manager - Awesome, i3

    High end machines with lots of fancy features and ease of use pick a full DE. WM is good for speed and low-end hardware but harder to use.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    So for gaming.... Pacman? I thought mint and kubuntu use aptitude, and was under the impression those are two of the better gaming distros.

    I hate windows, but am sick of trying Linux every 5-6 years and finding out that I cannot get half the games I play to work. Admittedly, with you guys I might not be going it alone this time.....

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

    Debian-based systems (including Ubuntu and its forks such as Mint) uses dpkg and APT (APT does all the communicating with repositories, dependency managment etc, dpkg actually installs and removes packages.) Aptitude is a TUI front-end for APT that gives you a menu-based system in the terminal. Synaptic (not to be confused with the trackpad driver) is a GUI front-end for APT.

    I game on Linux Mint. Now it might be my tendency to play single player and/or cooperative multiplayer (think Stardew Valley or Unrailed!) games often made by smaller studios and indie developers as most of the AAA space has otherwise offended me, but...I don't really have a problem. The vast majority of things just install and run from Steam.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Disagree on picking RPM distros for an absolute beginner (this is what the image is about at least). SUSE maybe but you don't want a newbie having to deal with US patent bullshit and especially SELinux. Similarly, no newbie will ever pic a barebones WM as a first time user.

    [–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

    I started on CentOS and don't remember any issues but that was a long time ago. I flirted with Suse, Ubuntu, and Arch when RH started being a super dick. I finally settled on Rocky, rpm is the devil I know.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    I started with Ubuntu and slowly tried getting used to Gnome over the course of a few months (mainly using windows, every now and then hopping into Ubuntu when not gaming). I learned of KDE, tried it in Kubuntu, and it all instantly clicked for me. I switched over in about a week and haven't had much reason to boot Windows since.

    It turned out that front-facing experience was incredibly important to me.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    What do you mean by front facing? Like the DE is the FrontEnd?

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)
    [–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

    It is I just think I found the sentence a little confusing

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