Can I apply for refugee status and move to a state not run by this sociopath?
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Imagine Lady Liberty in an ice-blue dress, singing "Let them go, let them go..."
Can the people of Texas recall their governor? Has to be a lot of them unhappy with this clown.
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Hypothetical from a non American. Let's say Texas DOES secede. What happens to the citizenship of the Americans in Texas? Do they lose it? Do they have to leave Texas in X days to keep it? Can it even be revoked? Should it?
If they kept it, would they need to still declare their taxes, as US citizens must pay tax on international income?
I'm not like a US civil war scholar or anything, but there's at least a glimmer of precedence to be found there with what happened to average folk living in the Confederate States when those states seceded. Babies born in the Confederacy were considered US citizens because the US (the Union) never recognized the Confederacy as independent and legally considered it US territory still. As for adults, it was similar... The US treated them as if they had never lost US citizenship and either punished or pardoned people for treason and war related crimes after the war. So I guess the answer would depend on whether Texas wins or loses the inevitable war that the US would fight to keep Texas from seceding/declaring independence in the first place.
About inevitable war - I heard some mentions of Texas' conditions of entering the union being different, since it, eh, became part of the US at a different point of history. And thus that in case of Texas specifically secession would still be their right.
Have you heard of such a thing?
Anyway would be awfully stupid to see a war over this.
It would make more sense for Texas to be like Christiania in Copenhagen for some time in case of such a weird event - no recognition, but also no war and no borders.
This is a common urban myth, but is untrue. There is no special part of the Texas state constitution that makes any mention of the ability to leave the USA. Nor is there anything in the USA constitution which would allow for this. It most likely comes from a clause in the document annexing Texas to the United States which allows for the state to break into multiple states. However this probably doesn't bypass the normal process of granting statehood. So if for all practical reasons not a thing.
I mean, some Texans might think so. Maybe even Texan politicians. However, Texas tried it already. It was one of the slave states that seceded and got its ass kicked in the civil war. Generally, that's the legal precedent that people refer to when they argue whether or not a state has the right to secede. The answer is war/no. That doesn't mean it would have to result in that in the future, but I think the only way they could get it to work without violence would be by starting some devolution movement and getting the US constitution amended to allow Texas in particular to secede and that would require a constitutional convention and the consent of the majority of the other states. Otherwise, they'd have to win a war against the US.
However, Texas tried it already. It was one of the slave states that seceded and got its ass kicked in the civil war.
I'm not that ignorant of history to need to be informed about this ...
but I think the only way they could get it to work without violence would be by starting some devolution movement and getting the US constitution amended to allow Texas in particular to secede and that would require a constitutional convention and the consent of the majority of the other states
I personally just don't like centralism and don't see secession as bad in theory. That, of course, means that not only a state should be able to secede from the union, but also any part of the state from it, etc.
Anyway, this is all not important. Healthy societies do well with any model (I'd say for a healthy society with any law there'd be no war in such an event). Unhealthy ones do bad with any model (even if there'd be laws designed to prevent war). Models affect their development and long-term "health", though.
Idiots in Texas believe this. The well informed in Texas know this to be false AF.
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He is wrong. But also imagine what that looks like. You think people in the UK regret brexit? Hahaha I hope Texas can grow all their own food.
Or don't have any natural disasters they aren't prepared for.
Simpson’s predicted this.
He looks like he's on a game show, bright colours behind him and everything.
The way his mouth is open almost looks cartoonish
Here we go
I don't fucking get this. Abbot literally ships illegal immigrants by the bus load into the country free of charge, how is he not a fundamental cog in the illegal immigration machine?
They've basically finally got around to calling the bluff. No one's going to do anything.
We had a coup attempt last year and people are getting slapped on the wrist.
The government's not going to do anything about anything until there's a full-on civil war.
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One star states gonna one star. Fucking shit hole.
Someone should tell these guys it's not 1861 anymore. They might find themselves on the business end of a hellfire missile if they keep running their yaps with impunity or take actionable steps towards actually seceding. Also known in modern vernacular as "Fuck around and find out".
"The dildo of consequence rarely arrives lubed"
That's silly talk. I say we deny their citizens all American benefits instead. VA, SS, Medicare, all of it. Only if they seceed.
Why should we tell them again?
No, no... Let them leave. #Texit
Abbott is so full of shit. Texas isn’t succeeding from anything.
Texas is neither succeeding nor seceding
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There's way too many people in here that either don't know the difference between succession and secession, or don't know how to spell, or just were too lazy to look at what they were typing or what was being autocorrected.
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Get rid of Ted Cruz and we'll take you more seriously, chucklefuck.
For a party that claims to love and respect the US Constitution, being filled to gills with "constitutional orginalists," I don't think any Republican has ever actually read the document. If they had even glanced over it, they would have looked at Article 6, Paragraph 2 also known as the "Federal Supremacy Clause." It's meaning is that law at the Federal level supercedes State laws and even state constitutions. The "Founding Fathers" intended for the Federal government to hold supremacy over the state governments... now it isn't written in plain English, but it is plain enough. Further, the end of our Civil War the court case Texas v White made it plain as day legally that no State may leave the union. Again, the party of "law and order" comes in clutch with that misunderstanding of what those words mean.
All that being said, succession isn't actually that popular (even in Texas). There would likely be a mass revolt against it in any state attempting it. Further, even a play at attempting it would be a political death sentence (as well as, perhaps, a literal one). Any insurrection against the federal government, even by a collection of contiguous states, would face a similar challenge the capitalists/monarchists (or Whites) of the Russian Civil War faced. The major population centers wouldn't recognize the authority of those in revolt and all they'd be left with would be the hinterlands and rural towns. Which is not a great position to be in strategically (again, see: the outcome of the Russian Civil War).
This is all not to mention, while States have their own National Guards, the insurrectionists would have to convince those troops to fire on troops who are wearing the same uniform. You'd have to convince their officers to break their oath to uphold both US law and face a possible death sentence if captured. I don't know Abbott's relationship with his National Guardsmen, but I highly doubt many officers will go in with him in this piece of political theater.
For a party that claims to love and respect the US Constitution, (...) I don't think any Republican has ever actually read the document.
They just don't care - they're self-serving liars and grifters, and they know it. It's very simple.
I look forward to the possibility they'll fuck around and find out, but they'll likely just bully concessions out of Biden, who will be too afraid of being uncivil or disturbing the status quo to take action to uphold the rule of law and defend the constitution.
Even if they do sit down to "read" the constitution it would be similar to their bible studies. You have a pre-made conclusion that you dance around with some text to then just conclude what you wanted to and some cop out if there is a contradiction.
It's all in line with the principle underpinning fascism - rules are useful solely to protect yourself and subjugate those you don't like.