Dealerships also have a party to play in tanking overall sales of EVs with the direction Tesla took and for is trying to take, cutting out dealerships all together.
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Bad press or just right-wingers crying because of their vroom vroom vehicles?
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I'm cheering for hydrogen
Does it go something like "Let's go hydrogen! We're number one! We're number one!"
Everytime ev's come up everyone's a fur trapper in the himalayas that needs to make pilgrimage over 500 miles every other day.
It's not that you need 500km every day, it's that you need 500km often enough to make the average affordable ev with a 150km range impractical. Until there is a reliable charging infrastructure in place, people need a vehicle that can accommodate their longest trip, not their average trip.
Exactly why I have a PHEV. Battery for daily driving, gas for longer trips.
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Fuck, I'd love to make my next car hybrid or electric, but I sure as fuck can't afford one, even used currently.
Tax breaks don't do shit for someone on disability, so I'm fucked in that regard.
It's hard to spend 50k on a new car when my current car is functional.
Honestly, I would kill for an EV. I'm ready to setup the charging station already since I have a 240v 50a run in my garage. I even do electrical work and could install it myself.
As the article notes though, it's way too expensive for me to consider at the moment. I drive maybe 100 miles a week but it's usually a lot less so I would be a perfect candidate.
However, a $7k or less older ICE vehicle does what I need. I can buy a fuck-ton of gas for $43k.... Including the added maintenance. I'm also hesitant to buy an older EV due to battery deterioration and not knowing if I will have to pay a ton to replace the batteries.
Honestly, I would kill for an EV
Why because it’s the new shiny? I bet you buy the new iPhone every year.
However, a $7k or less older ICE vehicle does what I need.
Right but you gotta have the new shiny right?
FOMO?
EVs being new and shiny, as well as that being the only reason they want one, are things you inserted into your comment, not something the person you responded to even implied.
I go on road trips for vacation. like 700+ miles in the day road trips. I wouldn't consider an ev right now because I have range anxiety and charging stations aren't as ubiquitous in the rural areas. if you stuck charge stations at every rest area on the interstates (the ones some states haven't closed yet), I dunno maybe but there are still big stretches of land out there that aren't close to an interstate let alone a rest area.
give me an ev that can go 700 miles in 12 hours and I might consider it.
If you take one or two vacations a year, rent an ICE for the trip.
Our last car was 12 years old and we did a 2,800km trip in a rental because we didn't want to run the risk of breakdown in the middle of nowhere.
Hybrids are the clear choice. The new Prius prime is so nice. And of course the rav4 prime is awesome too.
The primes are enticing, but not 20k more expensive enticing. The escape PHEV is near perfect (same beautiful transmission as Toyota) but is FWD only. You need to go up to the lincoln corsair grand touring to get AWD and then suddenly it's 50k. wtf? Why will no one sell a sub 50k AWD PHEV?
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Primary Vehicle -> Hybrid
Secondary Vehicle -> Full Electric with charger at home
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Not going to get much cheaper.
Toyota is correct. BEV, PHEV, and ICE will all be in our future until at a bare minimum charging it's figured out. Prices need to come down as well.
I don't see how PHEVs will come down in cost of ownership at all, the fuel is extremely expensive and the cars aren't cheap either. I don't see it making sense at all.
Batteries are expensive. And they ain't getting cheaper. Manufacturing is already difficult with supply chain challenges. And we're not even close to having everyone replace ICE.
Unless the new sodium batteries take off they are never going get to that point where BEV beats ICE everyone has been taking about four a few years.
By having a PHEV you reduce the dependence on rare earth materials while still giving everyone enough range to get around day to day. Go on a long trip? Range issues gone. The only real challenge is the upfront cost as well, but that doesn't scale nearly as poorly. Prices will not rise as much if we push for greater market saturation of the PHEV category. The dependence on rare materials goes away making it easier for everyone to get one. A minor increase in maintenance is a small price for a vehicle that does everything they need better.
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I'd like one not connected to a hateful, megalomaniacal egobeast.
When the roadster came out I wanted one, but I wanted to see how the brand fared in general for a few years first. Plus I couldn't really afford to upgrade my 1995 volvo.
When the model S was released I wanted one. It seemed practical, but it still wasn't affordable for me to replace my old 1995 volvo.
When 3 was released I didn't really care, because it seemed like a downgraded S.
When X (the car) was released I wanted one because m It seemed to be exactly what I needed.
But then:
Stories with quality control issues with Tesla becme more and more frequent.
EM proved himself to be a complete asshat (I had my suspicions, so I wasn't that surprised when he went mask off)
Autopilot turned out to be a scam
Relying on rental cars at work made me realize how much I hate touch screens.
So, I'm still driving my 1995 volvo 940. It will be replaced in march by a 2019 volvo xc90. I see the benefit in hybrid, but fuck tesla.
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Plenty of options besides Tesla.
And China's about to hit the market hard. You know, if you don't mind them scraping your data.
Ah cheap chinese garbage. Just what I want to be driving.
Fun fact: Tesla isn't the biggest EV maker in the world. BYD is. Americans haven't heard of them because Trump's 25% import tariff on Chinese EVs made them untenable to import.
American automotive companies are scared shitless of companies like BYD because they can come in like Toyota & Honda did in the 1980s and sell an EV sedan at a cheaper price than any American automaker can.
Elon even admitted it today: https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-global-economy/elon-musk-says-chinese-ev-companies-will-demolish-competition-without-tariffs
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2002 called. They want their stereotypes back.
China caught up on developing and producing quality products themselves, while many western companies lacked innovation and just payed out dividends instead of investing into the future.
I agree their capability has increased a lot, but i seems to me like most stuff I buy thats made in China is designed to fail.
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