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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (18 children)

I consider Gates to be "better" than most billionaires, but, I recognize that he's still a billionaire, and as such, his philanthropic endeavors are as much about him having wealth and maintaining his wealth as they are about him being a "good person".

Let me explain: it's a tax write off. Basically, billionaires often donate to charity, not because they're particularly giving, but because it reduces their taxes. They basically take the money they would otherwise pay in tax, and instead pay it to a charity that then does whatever they do with it.

By establishing a charity for himself, he can personally pay his charity the money that would otherwise go to tax, then as the charity, dictate where those funds are spent. Instead of giving the money to someone else to do with as they will, he basically pays himself, so he can dictate what happens with his money.

In turn, he pays little to no taxes, and only has to ensure the money circles around his charity somehow. That may be in the form of paying himself (or others) as a function of running the charity, or sending the money to places and people who he believes can benefit from it (or indirectly, benefit him).

It becomes a large circle jerk of money that otherwise would have gone to the government for taxes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You're not wrong.

Check out the Behind the Bastards episodes on him to see how his charitable efforts often end up more destructive than not.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I’m convinced no one on Lemmy or Reddit knows what a tax break actually is or that YOU DON’T MAKE MONEY FROM THEM!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

The above post seemed to be saying that:

  1. Bill Gates pays less taxes as he donates to a charity

  2. Bill Gates runs that charity

  3. Bill Gates then gets to decide how that charity spends his donated money

This then means that he can use what should have been tax to:

  1. Pay himself with the charities money, as he is an employee of the charity

  2. Lobby politicians using the charity's money

  3. Otherwise direct the charity to work in his best interests

Which part are you disagreeing with? I guess he doesn't "make money" in the strictest sense, but it sure seems like he's exploiting the system to keep more of it

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Issue is if he's paying himself with the charity's money he'd have to pay tax on that, and if he wrote that off with a donation and paid himself again then it'd reset the loop - there's no loophole there, literally, as it'd be an endless closed loop of transferring money.

Given the best interests of the US government are destabilising other countries and supporting unfair healthcare companies, given what is known about Bill Gates' charity spending I think a higher proportion actually goes to the betterment of society than would if it went to the US government

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

So imagine there exists a charitable billionaire that wants to do good. How in your eyes would a billionaire go about donating their money without drawing this same criticism?

Hasn't Gates already pledged pretty much his entire fortune to charity after he dies?

I guess the Devil's advocate argument here is would you rather trust Bill Gate's charity to spend the money or the US Government? Because from what I've seen, any time there is excess money in the US government it is not spent on social programs but on enriching government contractors and tax breaks for the wealthy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

They could use their money and influence to lobby the government in a positive direction, such as making sure taxes go toward social programs instead of killing brown people, and then simultaneously help fund that by filing their taxes fairly and paying their intended share rather than do this arcane skullfuckery to pay as little as possible. A great next step would be to lobby for reforming tax code so other, less charitably minded billionaires start doing the same whether they want to or not.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Bill’s income is near zero, his personal tax burden is probably less than yours. This charitable giving isn’t offsetting his tax liability; it’s a hobby.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

He also held on to that COVID vaccine

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Anyone doubting this claim should read this article: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/14/global-covid-pandemic-response-bill-gates-partners-00053969

Gives a really good breakdown of the role of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation had in the global pandemic response and how they donated more money to the WHO during that time than any member country. How they have close ties to the WHO and how they hoarded the IP rights to the COVID vaccine resulting in lower income countries not having access to the vaccine.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

He fucking did! Why the downvotes? He personally lobbied governments to make sure nobody released the patents to allow cheap vaccinations in developing countries

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Gates got a bunch of defenders for some reason

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

He was on the right side of the mask debate, right wingers were shitting on him, and the internet knows no nuance so he's the good guy and if you criticize him that means you like trump.

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