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The fuck does "ultra processed food" mean? Isnt upf defined by it harming you? Its like saying weapons harm you when weapon is the name for something that is used to harm others.
Yeah, I dunno. I wish they would just say sugar or something.
As a vegetarian, I sometimes eat a lot of meat substitutes that are highly processed.
I figure it's a worthwhile trade.
Meat substitutes are not necessarily UPFs.
"Processed" is a shitty descriptor without a clear definition. Cooking a food is processing it, but some food only become degestible (like some meat) when you cook it. Bread and all baked goods are processed. Are they all going to end us?
So you may not even be making a trade here. Not all substitudes are equal.
You're totally right. I suppose I am thinking of things like chicken't nuggets or Beyond Beef. Things that would be considered junk food anyways.
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Bread is UPF???
probably depends on the type of bread. sliced bread commonly sold in the uk is certainly UPF
A bread with only flour, water, salt would be a processed food only as flour is processed.
A bread with 23 items listed in it's ingredients, half of which sound like something you'd hear in chemistry class, is ultra-processed.
I buy my bread at the local bakery, I sure hope it's not processed cause I like that shit
This is the correct answer.
Another way to distinguish the good from the bad: Good bread goes stale in a few days, it also is harder to chew. UPF bread will sit in your breadbin for 7 days without noticeable changes and is fluffy and relatively light.
The reason for the fluffiness and the shelf life is all the chemical additives.
You can see why the corporations love UPF bread - and why (if you didn't know the health impact) you might want to buy UPF bread on your weekly shop.
you can keep bread goods soft for a week without ultra processing using the Tangzhong method! It's delicious and easy I recommend it to all my bread lovers!
Even with this information, it's fine if it's a small part of your diet. My kids aren't going to die because they eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich every day.
Always having it available and the fact that they'll eat it mean it's the healthier choice.
You have to make tradeoffs. That's just how food works and how it has always worked.
It's astonishing to me that scientists are using such unscientific terms like "ultra processed food". What is it about these foods that is unhealthy?
It's like saying "sports are dangerous" while including football and golf in your definition.
Scientists only use terms like ultra processed food after defining them in their scientific papers. The problem here is that the media find it difficult to write a short article for the general audience if they have to define things scientifically.
What specifically is bad about UPF foods is still being researched. A few leading ideas are:
Low fibre, emulsifiers and preservatives, while lacking variety of phytochemicals found in fresh food is known to change your gut health. People on UPF diets tend to eat more and have higher blood glucose spikes leading to heart disease and diabetes.
Altogether this is a recipe for a shorter, less healthy life
Use of emulsifiers.
Frequently have a lot of oil
Oh no, not my mayo!
...is aioli ok or do saponins count as emulsifier, here?
Those are shit definitions that come from pop-science not real science. They're so broad as to be functionally useless.
There is no single definition of ultra-processed foods, but in general they contain ingredients not used in home cooking.
Many are chemicals, colourings and sweeteners, used to improve the food's appearance, taste or texture.
Fizzy drinks, sweets and chicken nuggets are all examples. However, they can also include less obvious foods, including some breads, breakfast cereals and yoghurts.
A product containing more than five ingredients is likely to be ultra-processed, according to public health expert Prof Maira Bes-Rastrollo of the University of Navarra in Spain.
Ultra-processed foods are often high in salt, sugar and saturated fats. In the UK, look out for a "traffic light" label on the packaging.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/articles/what_is_ultra-processed_food
Thank you for the details - as you point out this is a functionally useless definition.
It reeks of "You know what I mean - that bad stuff". And that's not a good scientific definition.
A product containing more than five ingredients is likely to be ultra-processed
Curry is "ultra-processed" - you heard it hear first.
Like I said - "Sports are dangerous" is a very bad way to try to categorize risky activity. Golf and football are very different as are Curry and Twizzlers.
A product containing more than five ingredients is likely to be ultra-processed
Ugh. No. That amounts to saying "anything that contains five spice is ultra-processed". Why do you hate Chinese cuisine.
The "not used in home cooking" rule of thumb is way better though you can certainly make absolutely filthy dishes at home. Home cooking also uses "chemicals, colouring and sweeteners", and also home cooks care about appearance, taste, and texture.
What I'd actually be interested in is comparing EU vs. US standards UPC. EU products use colourings such as red beet extract, beta-carotene, stabilisers, gelling agents etc. like guar gum or arrowroot, when they use fully synthetic stuff then it's generally something actually found in nature. Companies add ascorbic acid as antioxidant, grandma added a splash of lemon juice, same difference really.
A EU strawberry yoghurt which says "natural aroma" is shoddy, yes, you're getting fewer strawberries and more strawberry aroma produced by fungi, but I'm rather sceptical when it comes to claims that it's less healthy.
"An ultra-processed food (UPF) is a grouping of processed food characterized by relatively involved methods of production. There is no simple definition of UPF, but they are generally understood to be an industrial creation derived from natural food or synthesized from other organic compounds.[1][2] The resulting products are designed to be highly profitable, convenient, and hyperpalatable, often through food additives such as preservatives, colourings, and flavourings.[3] UPFs have often undergone processes such as moulding/extruding, hydrogenation, or frying.[4]" Wikipedia
I don't know why it is not defined as such. It's easy to understand to me anyway. Flour has been ground up by humans for centuries, and has gone through a process, but the end product still at least resembles what you find in nature. Glycerides however, need to be explained and created using chemistry through indusrial processes.
I don't know if I could have picked a better example I am no expert. I'm simply disheartened so many struggle to distinguish between processed and ultra processed.
Olive oil is processed; if then, in an industrial process they extract the glyceride from that process and isolate it to its chemical form, to only then inject it into another food stuff product, that's ultra processed.
Im not that smart, anyone feel free to holler at me for being incorrect. This is my understanding however.
I gave up Ultra-processed foods 15-20 years ago and lost a lot of weight, and maintained that weight loss for years only using the avoidance of ultra-processed foods. Of course when I got slack, I gained again. So to me it seems obvious the harms. However, one could argue injecting vitamin c to a food is healthy, and would be defined as going through ultra process to isolate the vitamin compound.
But there is, to me, something sinister to have food scientists engineer food to be highly palatable and addictive, while also being detrimental to our health. Looking at you hot cheetos.
In this reply you you talked about "some breads", the OP Post only talks about bread - and that for sure had only ingredients in using at home.
Same for French fries: potato, salt, fat .
I'm with the poor downvoted fellow, I don't understand where the risk comes from when it's described this vague.
Are home made burgers better? Is it the freezing process and I should lower my meal prep? Is it additives?
I think there's a bit of a political drive to try to label chronic conditions as "lifestyle" diseases tbh, hence the loose definitions.
I just had the same thought as I was formulating a different comment here.
For example, US research published last year in the BMJ found that people who consume the most UPF have a 4% higher risk of death overall and a 9% greater risk of dying from something other than cancer or heart disease.
If you don't want to die of cancer and heart disease, UPF may be be a good choice.
The 4% greater risk of dying... Does that mean if I have a 10% chance of dying by age 70 it becomes a 14% chance or a 10.4% chance? I believe the latter. But that's a correlation for the people who eat the most UPF. Would have to see how that's controlled for socioeconomic class and access to healthcare.
It’ll be a delicious death. Mmhmm a cupcake death.
Just when I discovered frozen meals... 😟
There are different levels of processed food. A meal cooked, frozen, and shipped can have less risk than a sausage with a stick in it wrapped with a blueberry pancake infused with syrup.
Use your best judgement.
"Use your best judgement" to read ingredient lables and spend a few hours looking up what you don't recognize.
You'll quickly get a grip on what is processed and what is ultra-processed, and why the later is not so great.
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