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Due to recent concerns surrounding feddit.uk's enforcement (or lack thereof) of policies against transphobia, and lemmy.blahaj.zone's unilateral defederation of that instance, it's clear we need to take action in order to protect our users.

For context, please see the following threads:

feddit.uk has been defederated (via blahaj)

Emperor (feddit.uk admin)'s response

Hexbear thread with further context and discussion

Seeing as the feddit moderation team's policies clearly do not align with our own stances on transphobia, bigotry, and reactionary rhetoric generally, we are considering two different options, with feedback requested for whichever route you would prefer (NOTE: we are primarily concerned with how trans users and other marginalized groups feel):

ukkk - Unilaterally defederate from feddit.uk due to lax enforcement of rules against transphobia and their admin citing the recent UK anti-trans court ruling as one of the reasons for this

england-cool - Remain federated with the instance at large while banning their admins, mods and any transphobic users, along with those who violate Hexbear CoC generally (the same way we handled issues with dbzero a while back)

We want to communicate these discussions we've been having behind the scenes to the userbase at large and allow those most impacted to give their input on how to proceed. Please give any feedback below.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

ukkk

Deeper ThoughtsI, personally, prefer england-cool, because I think opportunities to educate are good and, when they fail, bullying is fun. And, the less of the fediverse we connect with, the more bigotry is allowed to fester.

But, ukkk is probably the healthy direction for our corner of the fediverse. I want my comrades to feel safe and supported. I think that "we gotta consider how to interpret blatant government transphobia" is a disgusting response from the mods, and that attitude is rapidly gonna turn feddit into another nazi bar. While we can engage and oppose bigots, we cannot change another site's culture when it's being poisoned from the top. The dbzero move was funny, and correct, because that instance has an anarchist tendency, and their userbase's interests overlap with the hexbear mission. A site with an identity based on geographic happenstance does not share that overlap.

spoiler Deeper spicy problematic thoughts Honestly, props to blahaj. I kinda want to refederate with them; give us a fresh batch of libs to spar with, encourage them to chase the chasers out, show their trans and anarchist users what real (as in honest, not as in world) solidarity can look and feel like. They like giving tankies shit, we like giving libs shit; but I think given the political realities of the world today it might be time for a slightly bigger tent.

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I don't think I've ever seen one of them on our local comms so I don't really care to weigh in one way or another. dean-neutral

I will say having someone in a position of authority with the name "Emperor" is incredibly sauceless. If you're in control of something online your name should either be like "Dave" or "Weepo Gleepo"

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ukkk

I'd rather err on the side of my trans homies bein safe.

Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

ukkk

The Supreme Court decision, as I understand it, shouldn't even effect the instance — it is a law which states that trans women are not legally considered women, such that the law doesn't mandate discrimination but allows it. Given the funders of this campaign of hate, it's pretty clear this is meant to target women's toilets and changing rooms and to "confuse" "well-meaning" managers in to banning transgender women from women's toilets and changing rooms "in the name of the law".

This would be an easy choice if I was making it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

ukkk zero tolerance for fedditor freaks

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

ukkk just because I almost never see a good take from feddit.uk users anyway. The good ones can or should just join Hexbear anyway, or Lemmygrad if they want more federation

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

ukkk

Tolerance of intolerance, etc.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

england-cool first to make their admins seethe
ukkk 24 hours later because it's the right thing to do for our users

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

we should not dunk at the expense of our own users, but you miss 100% of the shots you don't take

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There is something wrong with average angloids at UK both real life and online that are loud with respect to their transphobia when even comparing to north america from what I noticed. ukkk

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

ukkk The situation for my trans siblings in the UK is absolutely dire rn. When the courts and the governments are out to strip them off their rights, they need solidarity, not backstabbing. Reacting to these developments by an internal discussion if transphobia should now be allowed on the instance means the admins have already chosen barbarism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, absolutely despicable shit from the feddit.uk admins.

It should go without saying that there was no need for a discussion for our instance. Hexbear admins were already in unilateral agreement that transphobic content isn't acceptable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Reacting to these developments by an internal discussion if transphobia should now be allowed on the instance means the admins have already chosen barbarism.

My vote is also ukkk and quite frankly I see this problem in the other option.

As the old saying goes, if there's ten people dining with a Nazi at the table, there are eleven Nazis at the table. If you're choosing to say on the transphobia instance...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

ukkk

'ate transphobes

'ate the UK

'ate blood sauage

love my comrades

Simple as

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down for whatever, but i'd also like to forward a relentless bullying campaign as an option until we do whatever it is we do

for funsies

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They don't ban the transphobes.

ukkk qin-shi-huangdi-fireball

If, at some point, they stop treating transphobia like a moral dilemma and have a track record of moderating it right away, maybe we can reconsider

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I dont think we should be taking into account whatever blahaj does before making our own deciaions, but i also dont think we need to discuss defederating from an instance chock full of loosely moderated reactionaries

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

once again i am asking moderators to allow weighing in without requiring users to use site emojis. Jerbora does not support emojis and I am therefore unable to participate

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

england-cool banning the db0 admins was funny

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

ukkk

It’s clear they’ve made their choice on where they stand. The time and need for a multipolar Lemmy has long since arrived.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ukkk No more half measures, walter

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ukkk Even though blahaj is lame, they were right to do this.

Also campaign to refederate with blahaj.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

ukkk

i refuse to be outflanked by blahaj lmao. have we acquired the nuclear warheads yet? britannia delenda est

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

ukkk they can suck me

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

ukkk I actually wanted to title my post "We need to defederate from Feddit." But I was a little baby coward and felt bad.

innocence

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Seeing as the feddit moderation team's policies clearly do not along with our own stances

lmao spelling mistake

ukkk

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ukkk

If even blajah can't tolerate them they have no business being federated with us

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

ukkk I'm called enough slurs as it is already cri

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Assuming we defederate, how long will we have between the decision and the defederation itself? Because once we defederate, post edits and deletions won't federate; changes to profile picture, display name, or bio won't federate; and account deletions won't federate, right? Will we ask the Feddit.uk mods to purge Hexbear profiles or?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

We will ask them to purge feddit.uk. No half measures.

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ukkk Send a fucking message

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ukkk

It’s called TERF Island for a reason. Make them paddle if they want to leave

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