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Blame it largely on the pandemic, which weakened the hold the workplace held on people’s psyches

By outward appearances, the labor market today looks much as it did before the pandemic. The unemployment rate is just as low, the share of adults in the labor force is just as high, and wages are growing at roughly the same pace after inflation.

But beneath the surface, the nature of labor has changed profoundly. Career and work aren’t nearly as central to the lives of Americans. They want more time for their families and themselves, and more flexibility about when, where and how they work.

The impact of this change can already be seen in both individual companies and the broader economy. It has led to a persistent shortage of workers, especially in jobs that seem less desirable because, for example, they require in-person work or fixed hours. That, in turn, has altered the bargaining position of employers and employees—forcing employers to adapt, not just by paying more but giving priority to quality of life in job offers.

To be sure, some of these changes arise from an exceptionally tight labor market. If unemployment rises, some of employees’ newfound leverage may evaporate.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Peter Gibbons: The thing is, Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care.

Bob Porter: Don't... don't care?

Peter Gibbons: It's a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don't see another dime; so where's the motivation? And here's something else, Bob: I have eight different bosses right now.

Bob Slydell: I beg your pardon?

Peter Gibbons: Eight bosses.

Bob Slydell: Eight?

Peter Gibbons: Eight, Bob. So that means that when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That's my only real motivation is not to be hassled; that, and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired.

Plus ça change...

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago (8 children)

This movie has defined my working life.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

People need to have the courage to tank the existing economy and rebuild without the feudalistic tendencies built in. We really ought not to be maintaining the peasant/lord dynamic at this point in history.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Work is less valuable to us because it has literally become less valuable. We get much less in terms of real purchasing power.

You want me to care more about my job? Make it more valuable to me.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago

Also any job one might be passionate about pays the bare minimum it can, because not hating your job is basically a rare perk now.

Absolute bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

I care about having a stable income.

And I prefer to do something not too abusive to get it.

If that's "not caring about work", then I guess that headline has always been true for me.

[–] [email protected] 128 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The pandemic showed that a huge percentage of our work is literately bullshit used to keep us grinding away and not actually living life. And to keep us from dealing with the huge and glaring problems in our society.

The Puritan idea that we must slave away in order to be worthy is a lie.

One of the greatest economists, Keynes, expected us to be working 15-20 hours a week at this point because of productivity increases.

But instead of sharing in the blessing of productivity, we were forced to do an increasing amount of meaningless work and spend less time actually living, all while being shackled with debt rather than even increasing our pay.

A pretty garbage system if you ask me.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I work 9 hours a day either sitting at my desk doing nothing or sitting in meetings doing nothing. My only reprieve is that it pays decently well for the area I live in.

My time at my job could be cut in half and I'd still get just as much work done as before. So much of my life and and everyone else's lives are being wasted doing such meaningless work.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This is why I don't trust people who claim the jobs AI takes will be replaced, because that's how it was in the past. It wasn't, we never replaced those jobs, only created meaningless work. David Graeber is right.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

It's just incredibly apparent now that not all of us need to work anymore, by a longshot, but how can they keep the working class in its place without scarcity?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

The employers care about neither the employee nor the quality of work. Some People learn to meet expectations and compensation. This is nothing to do with the workers and everything to do with changes in the employers.

[–] [email protected] 111 points 8 months ago (10 children)

Other people in the comments are mentioning incentives, low pay, crappy management, etc. I don't want to work, but it's not really about any of this, or it's about all of this a little, sort of.

I want to do good work.

I want to make software that helps people, that does what it's supposed to do, that is fast, non-predatory, and doesn't succumb to endless feature creep or artificially rushed scheduling. Pay me enough to live comfortably, and I'll do this basically on my own. I don't even need all of these things.

I've found that most businesses prioritize between 0-1 of these things.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago

I used to do IT for 'digital advertising in healthcare'. I helped fix those accursed screens that sell you shit while you wait at the doctor or hospital.

When I did my job well, it made the world worse.

This conflicts with my basic sense of humanity, y'all. It broke me, and it was like the 17th problem on my list of shit to worry about.

Capitalism offers to sell me lame drugs and garbage to fill the hole in my soul it's created.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

People want to meaningful contribute to their community. Work stops most of us from doing that but instead do something that pays

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

I wish I could live comfortably on self-employment instead of that being a big risk. Income isn't guaranteed but bankruptcy over a single medical event is.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

I loved 12 oz. Mouse. Thanks

[–] [email protected] 62 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This is the real crux. Nowaday, I feel I can only do good through personal and community work. Professional work mostly involves being told to cut corners, mislead people and jack prices to grow the company infinitely.

While, frankly, I think infinite growth is one of the most damaging ideas in human history

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So many different ways to cope with the horrifying idea that companies need us more than we need them. For this rare moment, just a sliver of time, we workers are not forced to prostrate ourselves at their feet. Instead of understanding that labor is a market and right now it’s a sellers market, they are inventing cultural changes to explain their sudden loss of fortune and power.

Millions of American workers died or became disabled due to a virus that we failed to handle responsibly. Millions more left the workforce to care for children or family members. All the while, demand for goods and services stayed strong. More work to do and fewer people to do it, gonna have to pay more for labor. It’s so fucking simple.

It’s not that I don’t care about work, it’s that I don’t care about YOU! I have other options my dude, cough up or I will find somebody who will.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This also isn't the first time this has happened. The Black Death in the 14th century put the final nail in the coffin of serfdom and also led to the rise of the middle class. It turns out that, when a significant portion of the workforce either dies or leaves the workforce, the bargaining power of the remaining workers goes up. I don't think it's any surprise that we are also seeing a resurgence of unions as well. Workers have been tired of this shit for a long time, we're just now in a position to do something about it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You seem knowledgeable in this, can you recommend further reading on plague effect on labor & class? That's fascinating

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

That’s a Texas sized ten-four from me too

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I personally was tired of working my ass off for some rich ceo douche bag so I quit and am looking for something better

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