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The left coild have done more to court these kids. To late now my gender is a lost cause and every moment is a reminder. I hate this I hate my gender.
Yeah, the left should have done more. It's not too late. We can recognize young white men and turn things around. Do not hate your gender; hate toxic masculinity.
People are talking about showing that show Adolescence in schools. They are basically dubling down. At this point you are more likely to get Republicans to respect women.
The world is fucked and always has been. Humanity are horrible evil beings.
No
What these boys need are good role models
I grew up with being bullied, star trek, and karate. All taught me a lot about what it is, means, and implies to be good, be bad, and how to behave like a proper human being.
Today's kids have weird or no role models at all and most of them are just lost. Even Andrew Tate himself is a victim of this. I sldont see Tate as evil,.i see him as a sad little man that always needs to posture lest someone sees what a real loser he is. Even the raping is just him kicking others down to make others think he's so strong whereas in reality he is such a pathetic little man. I know the type, unfortunately.
In any case, i think we need much more wholesome YouTube channels where we have real men showing how real should behave, both through strength and thoughtfulness
There's a distinct lack of firm males in our society.
We're literally going to have to create the male role models that are needed.
Won't happen. We have gendered these political issues so much the alt right owns the entire gender. I vote dem, but doesn't mater because so many people see the entire group as nothing but dangerous fascists. These kids are being told the alt right is their pary and they get from both sides. Now they are are Worthless shits.
Even Andrew Tate himself is a victim of this. I sldont see Tate as evil
Victim, possibly. Not evil? Fuck no, I bet he's fully aware of the shit he does, how bad it is for people that listen to him and society as a whole, yet he keeps doing it. That's evil.
He probably doesn't care one way or the other. I doubt he wastes much thought on it.
He's doing whatever he thinks will make him money so he can spend that money to get laid. In his world, a lot of what he says is probably correct because he's constantly reaffirmed by the opposite sex.
Meanwhile, the people criticizing him on reddit tend to have a harder time. We'd be fools to think kids don't realize this. They haven't been conditioned to ignore reality like many people on these forums.
He should meet a Luigi.
“There are too many assholes in the world because people let them get away with it.” - Mr Inbetween
The problem isn't that we need to get rid of Tate. They are like flies and there will always be more like him.
What we need to figure out is what made him so persuasive to young boys - that's the real problem. We need to know why young boys are willing to listen to bullshit like his, and we must figure out what we can do to correct that.
We only talk about the absolute worst men. We have raised them to think that the right is the party for them because otherwise they are being told over and over that they are dangerous predators and nothing more.
Because all we hear about men from the left is that women would rather be with bears, and that men are useless. And that they are oppressing everyone with their privilege.
You tell some poor white kid he's privileged, he's not going to be your friend or sympathetic to your causes.
I don't think messaging from the left has really done anything to win them over. It's not necessarily that Andrew Tate is telling them anything amazing. He's just a voice not blaming them for everything.
This is really it.
It's not even a left vs. right debate at this point. It's a problem with human psychology where we can't accept a modest approach to anything. Everything has to be blown out of proportion and distorted to the point it's not even representative of reality.
Either people are 100% with you, or they're 100% against you.
I blame reddit and forums like these, honestly, for playing a big role in creating this divide.
Maybe it’s because all we hear from your type is how immigrants are the root of all problems, “all lives matter” and junk like that.
No positive father figure in their lives. No sense of community. Stigma from male role models that want to step up but fear being branded a PDF.
I honestly don't have a strong sense of how Tate can be so popular. But if I had to guess, I'd say the "no sense of community" is probably the biggest thing.
The internet has become a gathering place where communities and social bonds are formed. I can imagine a heap of people who are struggling socially in the real world seeing, and then seeing Tate and his community offer an 'answer' to that - supporting those who feel rejected, and putting the blame squarely on others. That's what I see as the draw that brings people in. They feel safe and secure in their haven of hatred. Any opposition to them is from people that are weaker and less important. -- Which then makes leaving the group almost impossible, because you'd have to degrade your own view of yourself - joining the people who you think are weaker and less important.
So this Tate thing is rot that has taken root because of a gap in more healthy support structures. (I don't see an easy solution for it though!)