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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.


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All posts should follow this basic structure:

  1. Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
  2. What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?
  3. Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don’t de-obfuscate mod names).
  4. Provide a screenshot and explanation of the cause of the sanction (e.g. the post/comment that was removed, or got you banned).
  5. Explain why you think its unfair and how you would like the situation to be remedied.

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Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.

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before i made an account, i reached out to the chief admin of lemmy.dbzer0.com

i was recently banned during a discussion on the validity of a claim regarding the consensus about the safety of a vegan diet:

and, if you bother to go find that discussion, you'll find that, in fact, my interlocutor did become incivil. i did report that. and somehow, my discussion and the subsequent report were the basis of a ban.

it was less than 2 hours. it's almost not worth discussing.

but given my pre-application discussion, i felt strongly that my conduct is within the bounds of the acceptable use of the instance. so if my conduct is not within the acceptable use, that means i basically cant use my account(s) as i planned and under the terms which i agreed.

db0 has said he doesn't want to be the benevolent dictator for life, and has specifically both recused himself from ruling on my conduct and encouraged me to post here and in [email protected] (though i'm still holding off on that for now).

so, did i deserve it? power tripping bastard? what do you think?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

You gave zero information to go off of but judging from what I saw from the comments, YDI.

You said about the other person:

You really need to take a look in the mirror and ask yourself why you’re trying so hard to lie about this.

But you were dead wrong about the point being discussed, you kept insisting that their evidence was outdated when they were referring evidence beyond the paper you were talking about. If anything, the other person was remarkably patient with you, and if you were decent you'd own up to having egg on your face and apologize to them. Instead, you reported them for correctly calling out your BS, and are now here whining about a two hour ban.

Personally, I find your whole thing of staying within the letter of "civility" while going "I'm not touching you" and talking down to everyone incredibly annoying, worse than if you just told people to go fuck themselves. If it were up to me I'd issue a permaban, but I don't think we have an abbreviation here for "the mods didn't go far enough."

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

that reply is a direct quote from the comment to which I was responding

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Yes, but the difference is that they were right. This is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. Saying "Go fuck yourself" can be perfectly called for and justified in certain contexts, but extremely uncalled for in others. They had basis to say that, because you were fucking wrong. You did not, because you were fucking wrong.

From what I'm seeing, there's a consistent pattern of behavior of trying to hide behind language, civility, and tone while being disingenuous as fuck and acting in bad faith.

Imagine an argument over a vaccines where the pro-vaccine person has a bunch of evidence in their favor and the antivaxxer keeps bringing up a flaw in one specific paper that the other person isn't even relying on. The pro-vaccine person would be perfectly justified in getting frustrated, accusing the other person of lying or operating in bad faith, etc. But if the antivaxxer did the same - even if they parroted the exact same language - they would be completely unjustified and out of line, even moreso than they already were. So no, you don't get to hide behind this "it was a direct quote" excuse, because you're the one who was out of line. You don't have the right to hurl accusations back at people when they're right and you don't have a leg to stand on.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I couldn't find the post but I did find you claiming that your logician training had caused you to logically deduce that the philosophically subjective state of sapience is required for consent rather than the empirical reality of sentience, so I'm gonna assume it was completely justified. And then, of course, you're arguing with the mod that banned you about why they banned you.
You aren't just the asshole in this case, you are generally an asshole.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago

I feel you're playing a bit fast and loose with the characterization of what I said here but I guess I literally asked everyone for their opinions....

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's a big of a weird case innit? I think that incivility should be allowed, but I also see that a pattern of behaviour where someone goads people to get upset in order to report them for incivility is manipulative and against anarchist ethos. You got to be able to take what you're dishing out. When I answered your email I didn't anticipate that you would be crying to the mods when you got people heated, yanno?

I don't think any of us admins would mind you having strong opinions on some matters and holding your ground, even if it would upset others, but this constant pattern of trying to manipulate situations to get people sanction by hierarchical power (mods) I feel is approaching /crossing an ethical line.

I believe this pattern behaviour is what the mod is objecting to, not your light trolling and strong opinions.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

YDI: you sound like a whiny little pain in the ass who adds little value to any conversation they're a part of. this post is emblematic of this fact.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Hi, I am the PTB that banned this user for 2 hours. As what was explained to you in the appeals channel, you've been trolling for months and when the person you troll gets mad, you report them for things like 'incivility.' You've done this many times to multiple users for months. That is why you were banned, not because of a specific thread and report. This was a warning to you to knock it off, as was explained to you.

It was not made known to other admins that you had contacted db0 in advance of making your account that you were using your account just to do things like this. It makes a lot more sense now why there was this leeway. I thought trolling other users was against the rules, but it seems the rules are muddy about it. We have often been warning people through 1 day bans to knock things off. So your timeout seemed appropriate.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

anarchy for me but not for thee

ignorant jokes aside, i think i might be interested in your consumer opinion. maybe ill find the referred read

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Anarchy isn't "no punishment", it's "no indubitable (the 'correct' spelling of undoubtable) power, especially not hierarchical ones". Having a benevolent dictator or oligarchy is indeed hierarchical but to their credit they're working towards implementing some sort of admin rotation system last I heard.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

to db0s credit, he is not asserting authority in this case, though one of his admins clearly did.. he encouraged me to bring it here or to the instance governance community

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Eh, the part about your pre-join discussion is irrelevant as any given community may well have more restrictive standards than the instance, and it's a benefit that admins not intervene in cases that aren't egregious and/or in violation of instance policies.

That being said, I think you got it right, a 2 hour ban is so borderline as anything at all, that it doesn't merit much of anything here. It was definitely unnecessary, but it's so minor that calling it power tripping seems dubious.

Has the mod in question said anything about the temp ban beyond what's shown? That's just personal curiosity more than anything relevant, tbh.

My take? If the action of a single mod is "chilling" your use of the rest of the instance, that's a you thing entirely.

Yeah, the action was unnecessary, but it was also effectively meaningless, so it's one of those things you just shrug off and move on while blocking the community.

Edit: leaving this up for context with the rest of the thread, but I missed a very important fact, that this was an admin action, not a mod action on a community. Ignore the fuck out of this drivel, please.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the ban was by a db0 admin, not a community mod.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Fuck, how did I miss that? My bad!

Yeah, that essentially negates my entire comment, sorry. That is fucked up. That's way outside of what an admin should be poking their nose into without some serious evidence to back it up and the willingness to provide it here since this community is on that instance.

Again, my apologies for misreading. I'd blame my dyslexia, but the word admin doesn't fall afoul of that, I just wasn't paying enough attention.

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