Delete all P = NP law. Return the sand from whence it came.
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Delete all IP law ❌
Delete all P law ✅
Delete all internet protocol
Jack Dorsey, who owns dozens of patents, conveniently does not opt to lead the charge by cancelling them all.
To be absolutely fair, and I dont trust billionaire cunts. Sometimes that just doesnt make sense, it isnt like open sourcing doesnt exist, it hasnt triggered a shift to Jack Dorseys ilk's big tech companies.
you could try asking him to put his money where his mouth is
He right
Actually fully agreed. IP, trademarks, copyright, all that shit just serves to make the rich richer and stifle innovation.
I am hard side eyeing everyone who are pro abolishment of IP laws. You are either mindless consumers who have never spent time and effort creating anything yourselves your entire lives, or you haven't thought this through.
I hope for the latter.
How do you explain the vast wealth of free software and entertainment media created by both professionals and hobbyists alike? How do you explain the profitability of games and movies when any of us can pirate a copy with little effort? Why is it possible to sell copies of public domain books when we have libraries?
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Exactly, people don't actually think about this. They just think "I get stuff companies have" and not "no one will write books anymore." If creative people can't make money by creating, they do something else. Why make music, books, art, when doing so becomes a financial drain.
Imagine a world where you created a hit story online. Well a big company could make that a book, sell it and you see nothing. If it got big they could sell merch, which you would see none of. Big companies, by having manufacturing and distribution setup, could steal any idea at any point and put it into the machine. This would be a nightmare.
This is exactly what would happen.
I'm a creator myself and it is already hard enough to get jobs - not even well paying jobs, just jobs. Now we are competing with AI and then you're telling me that people here on Lemmy agree with these wolves about abolishing IP laws, which means my hard work and intellectual property that I have spent countless hours on developing, is now up for grabs for anyone out there who is bigger and richer than me?
I seriously don't believe people have thought this through, or they are lying about being creators themselves.
But I guess the "I got mine" mentality is all over the internet. Even here, lol. No one cares as long as they think it doesn't affect them personally. Ladidah. How did that go for the American farmers who voted for Trump because they thought it would help their farms?
i think it's more likely that everyone would race to the bottom to make the cheapest Marvel, Pokémon, Disney, Star Wars, Harry Potter spin offs, merch and content they could.
Yep, this is Trump's Tariffs all over again.
And if this happened, people would cheer as they got all this stuff for free, without realizing that they just killed the future of creativity.
The irony is people want this to happen because they see companies as greedy. When in fact, this move itself would be incredibly greedy and feed the corporations that people are trying to rail against.
And all these free movies and software are only "free" until they find a way to enforce logins and always online BS for everything. Big companies won't just give up their IP, they will fight this and find a way to hoard.
Absolutely. We will see a scenario where the big companies readjust to the new market while everybody else loses.
This reminds me of the mocking of unions that I witnessed happening a lot online a year or two ago and I was so fucking confused how normal everyday people who didn't own big companies could poopoo unions and call it commie shit.
In my country, we have a proud union history that has secured the rights of workers for generations so it was very bizarre to me to see - mostly Americans - mock unions as a concept.
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I've created lots of things. The moment I finish creating it, I sign over my IP rights in exchange for money for food, and never have a right to it again.
Without IP law, the thing I created would at least be in the commons where I can still legally use it.
(I agree with your point, some IP law could be better than none. But I'll assert that a total void of all IP law would be better than what we have now.
And we need to theaten to void it all, to get the current rights holders to negotiate. Frankly, I don't think they will. I think we need to void all IP law and then encourage the next generation to create some new IP law after we starve our current billionaires.)
(All this is in spite of my objection to being on the same side of any argument with Jack Dorsey. I have no illusion that his motives are pro-social.)
I personally fear that if such a decision was passed, we would see big companies find loopholes and exceptions and/or they would make their profit entirely by stealing from creators without compensation or acknowledgements.
You want to hurt the big companies so badly you're willing to saw the branch they, you and everybody else sit on just so you can see them fall.
I doubt the big companies will be the ones who will feel threatened into negotiations if IP laws were abolished. They would flourish with their businesses and the AI tech bros would have field day making billions by stealing from all of us.
Your utopia is every creator's nightmare.
I believe it would be darker than mere loopholes. Corporations would probably both protect their own IP and steal each others' IP through militant means. Like, Cyberpunk 2077 could become reality.
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Voiding all IP law would cause a huge loss in the creative community.
If people can no longer pay their bills by creating then they stop creating and work. If I can't pay my bills by writing a book or creating art and selling it (because I don't own what I create), then I stop doing that and get a job at Walmart. Why dump years and your heart and soul into a great book just to have it distributed for free and be poor. Creating would become a pure luxury.
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Swedish (For the user name)?
I think you should have rights but not like it is today with stupid 100 years after authors death.
You can also protect the creation, without having laws banning people using it. Like if you buy a painting in france, you can't burn it or "disrespect" (sorry, can't find a better word) it.
Yes, there are definitely room for improvement when it comes to IP laws but that is a completely different discussion from the one about abolishing IP laws entirely. One discussion is constructive and aims toward a more fair system, the other is Trump-anarchy which will only ever benefit the ones who have money and power while it will screw the rest of us over.
Also, not Swedish. I just love Astrid Lindgren.
See ya in Nangilima!
Dude, it wasn't until I was in my 20s that I realized that the last shot of the movie adaptation was a shot of their gravestone in the real world. Until then I had been so severely in denial about the implications of that, that I just didn't register it.
I'm telling you, I was bawling on the floor.
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I have spent time and effort creating things myself. Still think ip law is not entirely accomplishing what it should, which is protecting the interests of people producing intellectual works, preferably while they can still reap the benefits of said work and are not financially/socially stable. It seems it's basically working backwards, great for inheritors to make millions by doing nothing except owning some IPs but terrible at protecting the people who actually need it.
I also know a few people holding some important patents, and I guess the patent system is alright in comparison, at least in France, since it did actually protect their work while also allowing others to use it fairly and improve on it.
There is definitely room for improvement when it comes to IP laws, but abolishing them entirely is not the win some people think it is.
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