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Full title: Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version "to access a decade-old, discontinued video game"

Ubisoft's lawyers have responded to a class action lawsuit over the shutdown of The Crew, arguing that it was always clear that you didn't own the game and calling for a dismissal of the case outright.

The class action was filed in November 2024, and Ubisoft's response came in February 2025, though it's only come to the public's attention now courtesy of Polygon. The full response from Ubisoft attorney Steven A. Marenberg picks apart the claims of plaintiffs Matthew Cassell and Alan Liu piece by piece, but the most common refrain is that The Crew's box made clear both that the game required an internet connection and that Ubisoft retained the right to revoke access "to one or more specific online features" with a 30-day notice at its own discretion.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

I think there is an implication that if you buy a game which is online by nature (e.g. an MMO) that the servers can and will shut down eventually. My cupboard is filled with defunct MMOs. And people do not "own" any commercial software per se, they run it under licence.

So I don't see that Ubisoft has any legal obligation here. But as a good will gesture they really should put the server code in escrow, or open source chunks of it so that games can continue to enjoy life after the company itself has no economic incentive to continue running it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I find it so strange that people hate Ubisoft for this, but would rush to defend Valve for starting this trend.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ubisoft deserves to go bankrupt, get dissolved, and have their IP’s sold to people aren’t malicious.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (9 children)

No, make it a entirely employee-owned company, so they can vote the execs out, sanitize the culture, and keep the thousands of worker out of unemployment

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (9 children)

If they don’t sell the game but a long term rental license, then they should not say “we’ve sold 1234557890 copies of ”.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

“You will own nothing and like it”

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

Some call it piracy when you download games, movies, music, software or books. I call it an online public library. In 2003 I used to get video games from the public library, install them on my PC and play them. You had to have the disk in your CD drive to play the game so when the game was due back at the library you could return or renew it. If game makers don't provide hard copies then downloading is no different than using the library.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Tell you what customers absolutely can do: decide to stop doing business with you.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

All I want Ubisoft to do is make more Rayman games. Yet they doing things like this.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

This is why I just pirate games from big developers. They’re fuckers so fuck them anyway.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

The use of the words 'buy', "own" or 'purchase' in connection with DRM rental should be an international felony, and grounds for immediate break-up of businesses that use them.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

When you "buy" software, you're buying a license that grants you permission to use it subject to the terms & conditions. The stealing as the law would see it is from using software without purchasing a license or using it in violation of the license.

It even extends to digital content people "buy" on Steam, or Google Play, or Amazon including books, music, and videos. You didn't buy that content, even if you think you did. You bought a license to it which is why occasionally Amazon or whoever will just scrub the content from your account without your consent. That's also why in some countries you pay VAT on e-books even though you don't pay VAT on real books - because you actually bought a software license which is liable to VAT.

So the best advice is don't buy digital media from online services. For games and software it is unavoidable but recognize you don't legally own squat although most console games on disc or cartridge can still be sold second hand. But even that is being eroded. Nintendo apparently are planning to sell "physical" games in stores but you open it up and there is a redemption code inside. Sony and Microsoft have both tried to get away from physical media too.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

The problem is it's getting harder and harder to pirate games, especially games that are entirely online.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

I like the cut of your jib.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Technically they're right, which is why pirating Ubisoft games is ethical.

Edit: Pirating Nintendo games is ethical too, of course.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

There you go, offline mode ftw

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