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Even taking his bullshit argument at face value, he thinks the best solution for these violent drug addicts is to leave them out of the street? Who is the audience here? If you literally think they are all violent, why is leaving them free to roam around the right solution?
I know it's all about money and grandstanding on his part but this definitely seems like some under-the-influence kind of deep thoughts.
Why does "violent drug addicts with severe mental illness" mean somehow they shouldn't be helped anyways?
To be fair, that is kinda nonsense. Germany and austria, for example have a lot of support networks for people in need, we even have entire networks dedicated to supporting homeless people, so nobody has to be homeless here - yet we do have a lot of them. For some people, homelessness is almost a choice more than an involuntary decision.
Obviously, idk how this would be in america, but I don't think it would be a lot different.
Remember, they are saying what would need to be true to justify what they plan to do. This should be read as Elon declaring intent to put homeless people in camps.
I'm surprised he chose to express his point in this manner. Unless this is an expression of humanity from Mr Musk that we're so otherwise unaccustomed to that it's hard to recognise, then I assume he wants to persuade people to have less empathy or sympathy for homeless people, not more. This statement, taken at face value would seem to suggest that contrary to what some may think, homeless people are facing significant challenges not of their own making that have contributed directly to their circumstances.
I'm going to guess that's not how he meant it
Homeless: without a home.
Weird how he’s lying again. I’ve been there, and I can promise this fuckwit that not having a roof or food in the middle of winter in a city where the stoplights literally freeze is not some kind of illusion. That being prodded away from a public bench in sub-zero temperatures so you can shamble a few blocks whilst the sleep in your eyes freezes, over and over for weeks, so you can’t get more than an hour sleep at a time for months, isn’t the holiday he thinks it is.
Jesus christ, I bob my head to the surface for this? It’s like he’s not even trying to be relatable now.
Let's say, for sake of argument, that Elon is correct. Should we not be helping people with severe mental illness?
I can’t speak for Elon (and will not defend him) but Kyle (from Secular Talk) is dramatically underestimating the problem by tossing out the $20 billion figure. You can’t just throw a bunch of money at a person with severe mental illnesses and addictions and just expect them to be okay.
The state of California has spent over $24 billion on homelessness since 2019 yet the number of homeless people in the state has grown by 20%. Obviously they aren’t spending the money wisely in a manner that would maximize reduction of homelessness, but Kyle didn’t specify how the money should be spent either. Perhaps that’s actually the hard problem: how do you spend the money in the way that would be most effective?
He is a literal NAZI! So he wants mentaly ill to suffer for losing the gene lottery!
Homelessness is never a lie. Beggars, however, do sometimes game the system trying to get easy money. They are not nor ever have been homeless
You can't possibly believe that everyone begging for money is not actually homeless. If I take your comment more charitably, you think some percentage of people begging are faking homelessness. How can they possibly own a home on the pittance given to them begging?
One of the talking points in South Africa goes like this:
The "homeless" black people that live in corrugated metal slums all have mansions that were stolen from white people and given to them by the government when apartheid ended.
They choose to live in slums to work in the cities, and go back to their mansions when they're not working. Alternatively, they don't live at their mansions because they are too lazy/dumb to actually take care of the property.
Several times in the US I've been told that people flying a sign are actually rich from all the money they are given. Totally absurd but people believe it. Mansions they don't live in is on another level though
Hahaha that's gold. It's kind of hard for me to accept anybody really believes that. Feels like some disingenuous conviction there or deliberately not examining the statement because they know on at least one level it's too completely illogical to be true but then again there are some people who've had such serious distortions to their reasoning over time that they're not even lying anymore when they claim to believe this stuff.
the US in total is a right-wing place that thinks that "hard work" is the way of life, and anybody who doesn't adhere to that is a "drug-addict" or a psychopath.
Which is wildly ironic because billionaires don’t actually work.
*working and grifting
where grifting essentially means forcing your subordinates to work harder
Bet Elon he can't beat homelessness with 19 billions.
Bro will do it just to prove you wrong
Also half of all homeless people are foster kids who aged out of the system. They don't have a family to fall back on.
Not allowing billionaires to exist would end homelessness
tax the rich!