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[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (14 children)

I don't blame them. Nintendo fans buy anything at any price. I don't see it being different this time.

Mario Kart 8 never goes on sale and sold 70m copies; Pokémon Scarlet/Violet sold 30m despite looking and playing like dogshit; they sold Skyward Sword HD, the remaster of a 10-yo game, at full price and still placed a few millions.

Nintendo is basically like Apple at this point, the brand is enough to convince people to spend more than they would for the competition, regardless of quality. I personally know a lot of people who loudly groaned/complained at the price announcement, but will still buy it day one, just like they always had in all these years.

And people terminally online should stop pretending the Steam Deck is competition to the Switch 2. It couldn't even compete with the Switch 1, which was five years older, had worse performance, and had been easily emulated for years at that point.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You're not wrong, Nintendo fans will buy this. As a Nintendo fan, I will buy this - though, it's gone from a Day 1, no-brainer purchase to "when I can justify the expense" - but Nintendo fans make up a small fraction of people who bought a Switch 1.

See: Wii U, 3DS

The Wii and DS printed money, and they assumed most of those users would move on to the new hardware. They did not. They had to slash the 3DS price within months, and nothing saved the Wii U.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Does the sales reflect if Mario Kart 8 was bundled with the console as a purchase? So are they paying the full price in the end? Obliviously the prices are totally outrageous which is why I think I only have 4 games on the Switch and half of them were included with the console.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

I mean... I will be able to get a Nintendo Switch 2 eventually... Regarding the Steam Deck, I can't buy it officially in Mexico yet... Come on Valve, we are literally neighbors of the USA lol.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Best time to buy Nintendo hardware is after the announcement of a hardware exploit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

The second best time is before

[–] [email protected] 49 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

It's not convoluted at all. It's extremely simple: if you want to (edit: legally) play first party Nintendo titles (or other exclusives), you MUST buy a switch. If you don't care about Nintendo exclusives, there's absolutely no reason to own a switch. That has been true of every, single Nintendo console ever released... except for the Wii. People bought a Wii so they could play a motion control game with Grandma once or twice, and then just let the console sit and collect dust.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Well. NES/SNES/N64/GameCube/DS/GBA all had bangers. The well started to dry up around the wii.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I see your not a high seas enjoyer

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

New game console arrived

Comment suggesting piracy as the first option

gets up-votes

so-called gaming community

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Nintendo striking down emulators illegally?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

Hahaha holy shit this is so true.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 days ago

Most people don't want to dedicate brain cells for that

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago

People bought a Wii so they could play a motion control game with Grandma once or twice

I'd give up everything just to do this...

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The game pricing argument goes back and forth for me. Yes, on paper, you could say that inflation suggests games should go up in price, especially considering how many more developers are needed to put out high-fidelity games. BUT, on the other hand, the minimum wage has not raised significantly in all of that time. As a result, a significant number of gamers genuinely can't pay more for games than they could 20+ years ago. The reason these larger studios exist is because of gaming's expanded reach in that time; and many of these new target territories similarly can't pay for the equivalent of $80USD.

There's maybe only about 1-2 games I've ever even paid the $70 price tag for.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

I agree, sales are constant (at least on PC) so I almost never even paid the $60 price tag. They can keep cranking up the prices but more and more people may just wait for sales. I know Nintendo games don't go on sale very often but that makes the ecosystem even less attractive. $450 is in the range of a Steam deck.

Inflation or not, prices can only go up if the market will support them. If people are unable (or unwilling) to pay the higher prices, then prices basically can't go up.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

But $450 does feels like the upper limit cost of something you give a child, and if you're charging me Real Console money for this then I kinda expect to be treated like an adult.

It is a Real Console. Today's big showpiece was fucking Bloodborne 2 and some people still can't get out of their bubble where they think it's a children's toy.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Nintendo launched the first Switch at $299; just accounting for inflation over the past years - that’s ~$390 now, BEFORE even trying to account for any Trump-tariffs they have been (or will be) imposed on electronics hardware.

I hate to give Nintendo credit, but $450 is actually somewhat reasonable given the current global shit-show.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Yeah, this was my thinking as well. Inflation + preparations for tariffs are likely enough to bring the price to 450.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago

Almost like they base prices on actual financial accounting and not the feelings of gamers.

Of course any economist will tell you economics is part psychology and sociology because humans aren't rational actors, but it evens out at these large scales, and they have to start somewhere.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Those are not the same thing? How do I play the new Donkey Kong and Formsoft exclusive (!) on a Steam deck?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Emulation (although you may have to wait a bit)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Do you really think the Steam Deck will have the horsepower to emulate Switch 2? I'd love too, but even Switch 1 is not in perfect level yet (like PPSSPP perfect like).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Why not? Just because the Switch 2 can do 4k60 doesn't mean it's super powerful. Thd Switch 1 was obsolete when it launched, so a hardware upgrade over that could be literally anything. For reference, even the Raspberry Pi can do 4k60 nowadays.

Afaik, Switch 2 specs haven't been revealed (have they?) so we don't know yet what to expect, but considering it's a handheld it will likely have similar power constraints to the Deck, possibly even more to achieve longer battery life. (But tbf, the deck is relatively old by now and could itself benefit from an upgrade). As far as emulation, we at least know Nintendo considered it worth the effort to try to take down all Switch 1 emulators before even revealing fhe Switch 2, probably suggesting it's not going to be hard to emulate.

The trailer mentions that the Switch 2 can do 4k60 when docked only on some games. Just knowing Nintendo's cheap asses, I doubt you'll get that from any significant 3D title. It'll probably be limited mostly to 2D titles, simple 3D ones, or maybe some hyper-polished first party titles. I doubt you'll see that in the new Bloodborne, possibly not even 120 while in handheld either.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 6 days ago (5 children)

The only thing "convoluted" about this whole announcement was pricing. The price of the console The price of the games The price of their online services and upgrades...

All of that is gut-wrenching as Nintendo claws at its dedicated fans wallets.

Otherwise the features and games look amazing, i understand why people are willing to pay those prices.

Fingers crossed we luck out with easy jailbreaks and emulators like we did for the Switch 1.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (3 children)

They made a change that the cartridges no longer hold the game data but will require a download of the game and the cartridge is just a key for the digital game.

That will stop game dumping from the cartridge. But with a jailbroken console, we can still get the game that way.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

jailbreaks and emulators

I'm afraid of the possibility the Switch 2 will be their Xbox 360 -> Xbox One moment in terms of security...

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Fingers crossed we luck out with easy jailbreaks and emulators like we did for the Switch 1.

Nintendo won't make this mistake again. But I'm like you, also hoping their security experts are the same dipshits as before so we can resume pirating the entire overpriced Nintendo library.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Nintendo makes this mistake like every single time, what do you mean

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Nintendo won’t make this mistake again

17th time's the charm

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The first model run of Switches had an SOC hardware flaw that was Nvidia's fault.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago

They've had dumb vulnerabilities in every single console. Given this one is a refresh, it probably won't have some huge unpatchable vuln, but there's always something.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

Pure speculation here, but I'm pretty sure the reason Nintendo significantly ramped up their legal hiring in the past few years is because they figured it was cheaper to chill the development of custom firmware and emulation than it was to tighten up their hardware.

I'm sure they still made an effort, but I'd be very surprised if the security isn't broken fairly quickly.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (3 children)

youd be suprised. all of Sonys consoles are hackable, despite efforts to stopping it. willing to guess that another SD express exploit will be found, as one was already found late last year, and the switch 2 is one of the devices that uses it.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Nintendo continuously makes the easiest to hack and emulate consoles and handhelds. They been fighting emulation for 30 years and still churn out systems that get cracked immediately.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago

Hell my kids play N64 on my modded Wii. They were playing Mario kart just a few hours ago lmao

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