Heaven on earth = Communism : memes

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I don't think communism is a moneyless system. Pretty sure people paid money for things in the USSR. Have there been any communist countries without money?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Communism is a post-Socialist society, it must be global, highly developed, and have full public ownership, or close enough to those. The Soviet Union was, instead, Socialist. That being said, there were attempts at Cybernetics, and moving beyond money. These are actually incredibly interesting, and anyone interested in Socialism should look into those attempts.

If you want to learn more about Socialism and Communism, I recommend checking out my introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There is also the great Documentary by Plastic Pills Project Cybersyn & The CIA Coup in Chile

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh shit, I need to watch that! Thanks, comrade!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's great, it goes further into how post coup the nascent proto-neolib ghouls went down to examine cybersyn and essentially stole the whole idea behind it which eventually became the model for just in time supply chains at places like amazon and walmart. Oh what could have been.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Interesting, and heartbreaking, of course. I never knew about the link to JIT from Cybersyn, I'll have to give that a watch. Thanks!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Marx mentioned

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

I do be mentioning Marx

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Heaven was literally [re]invented to be a description of utopia specifically so that toiling workers wouldn't get distracted trying to create it on Earth.

"oooh heaven is a place on earth" take that shit literally, fam

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[+] [email protected] -9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Communism is stateless ?? LMAO. OP has no clue what communism really is

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Communism is stateless, but not without government, or what Engels calls "The Administration of Things." For Marx, the "state" is made up of the instruments of society that uphold class distinctions, such as private property rights, and special bodies of armed people for those purposes. Public ownership and socialized ownership quite literally makes those aspects of society redundant, and thus "whithers away."

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So it's stateless but there's a state according to the common definition but not according to a different definition that is less common. Got it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

Basically. Marx wrote in the 1800s, so there can be confusion from those who only keep a surface-level understanding of Marxism, say, by sticking to Wikipedia summaries. If you want, I can provide sources that help elaborate on what I'm talking about.

[+] [email protected] -11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, and eggs are perfect spheres in Vacuum. In real world, any and every attempt at communism will lead to a situation where government becomes an all encompassing over bearing State. that's why Socialism is a far better and much more practical model than communism ever will be.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

I think you're a bit confused on terms, here, as well as history.

Socialism is just an economy where public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, rather than private. It's a transitional system towards Communism, because markets naturally cebtralize and create efficient networks for central planning all by themselves. Cuba, the PRC, Vietnam, Laos, DPRK, former USSR, etc are all examples of Socialism.

Communism, the point at which the entire global economy can be publicly owned and planned, has not been reached. There have been Communist parties in charge of Socialist economies, but Communism itself is still in the future.

I think if you're going to be discussing the practicality of Communism and Socialism, you'd do well to familiarize yourself with the systems more. Socialism is not in opposition to Communism, and is a prerequisite for it. I made an introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list if you want to become more knowledgeable about Socialism and Communism.

[+] [email protected] -10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

lots of unironic communists on lemmy?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yup, but Lemmy is a federated service so if that fact makes you uncomfortable or something you can always spin up a liberal instance with corporations and classism.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, it was literally created by communists

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yep! Lemmy is primarily developed by Marxist-Leninists, and is generally structured in opposition to Capitalist networks. It allows Communists to form our own spaces without corporate censorship.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Which is why it's a big irony when people come to Lemmy to complain about communism/socialism.

Like, man, you are on a decentralized network run by volunteers who don't want to be monetized. You want to enjoy the benefits of socialism but at the same time complain about how bad it is and promote capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Yep, but that's just how it is, and why I focus on outreach all the same.

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