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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

This reinforces my perspective that when people complain about "woke" media they are complaining about badly written media (which features minorities). The 2005 reboot of Doctor Who has always strongly featured minorities, but the quality has gradually declined season after season. Nobody complained about the bisexual Jack Harkness, who got his own spin-off. Different people gave up at different times -- IMO it was a dumpster fire by season 4 already, but others held on through the Matt Smith era or even the Capaldi era. (Not denying there were good episodes still now and then.) Series 11 was unwatchably bad -- but not because the Doctor was portrayed by a woman.

Similarly, Star Wars: Andor, has a lot of diversity in the cast! It's a great show, best Star Wars media since Episode V in my opinion. But it's Star Wars: The Adept people are calling woke, since it's trash.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I will still watch it for reasons..... .....

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Nobody who enjoys Dr Who for what it is, a series of morality tales and social commentary, gives a shit about if the Dr Who is woke or if the lead is man, woman or something between, let alone their ethnicity (though for sake of continuity they better have a british accent of some descriptor.)

What long time Who fans don't like is poorly written and executed stories, for which there has been far too many of in recent years.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You can't make something that's a pile of shit and then hide behind oppression from right wing assholes online. If you watch interviews of the showrunner he knew it was going to be terrible before was ever published when he basically said "It's ok to like things."

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago (7 children)

What do we call it when the show has politics you agree with but you still think its too heavy handed and the messaging constantly feels like you're being talked down to?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

when someone is patronizing and talking down to us it means either we are at work or on Reddit

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

It means you are above average intelligence. Its a burden.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Patronising. RTD loves to be patronising because he doesn't understand subtlety.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

this is just how RTD writes Doctor Who, but people loved it the first time for some reason.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

I have more criticism over Disney being involved in production than anything "woke".

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I just hope the new seasons has some good stories, I stopped watching after a few Capaldi episodes the stories were less interesting.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

I watched the first new season. It has ups and downs, but definitely some good episodes in it. I also felt frustrated the longer Stephen Moffat had his run, and then Chris chibnall was straight up boring.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Back in the Tom Baker era, they routinely talked of the Prime Minister as 'she.'

Those shows were made long before Thatcher came to power.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Doctor Who is responsible for Margaret Thatcher? Wow, maybe this show does suck after all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Those shows were made long before Thatcher came to power.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

They spoke it into existence.

[–] [email protected] 113 points 2 months ago (9 children)

If they think Doctor Who has "gone" woke, they have not been watching.

I remember Captain Jack Harkness flirting with anything that moves, regardless of gender identity or species.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (10 children)

I have to disagree a bit here, the recent writing has tried to very heavily shoe-horn it in, whereas in the past it was much more naturally present.

I think the worst one for me (before I quit watching) was with the enormous spiders in the hotel run by a very Trumpian figure.

"Trump" wanted to just shoot the enormous spider, but the Doctor stopped him saying "no weapons, ever". The spider then died an agonizing death caused by suffocation on-screen mere seconds later. Her offspring was lured and locked into a storage room with food, after which they would surely either cannibalize themselves or starve. Actually shooting them would've been a mercy at that point.

When presented with the Doctor's solution versus the "Trump" solution, I felt more sympathy for "Trump". And I fucking hate that guy. That's when I knew the writing just wasn't for me anymore.

There's a reason even the more diehard Whovians, who are very much considered "woke" are tuning out. It's not the cast, it's the writing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So that was during Chris Chibnalls era of running the show, which is, well, shit (good video about it, its long though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8_A7n83Rh0 )

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The Doctor has been pretty anti-gun for as long as I've been watching. Honestly I just felt the Chibnal era lost a bit of magic, less campy/extreme/wild ride feeling to it. The first new season I thought was pretty decent.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

I have to admit I kinda stopped following the series after Capaldi left.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago

The last time I was sentenced to death, I ordered four hyper-vodkas for my breakfast. All a bit of a blur after that... I woke up in bed with both of my executioners. Lovely couple, they stayed in touch! Can't say that about most executioners.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately his behavior continued on set. Creepy dude.

But his character wasn't meant to be creepy, and I need to remember that from time to time.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh damn, that's unfortunate

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago

Context fwiw:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/john-barrowmans-scandals-full-jaw-33702480

My opinions: Was he called out for exposing himself and being incredibly inappropriate? Yes.

Has he apologized and faced consequences? Yes, multiple times, but maybe not enough for some.

Is he a sexual predator? Probably Not.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)
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