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Why the hell is it so complicated
I though it was complicated here in Australia where our states/territories (idk the differencd) all can have some very different rules and stuff at least we have mostly clear borders
Ireland wtf?
OK, looking at this I can now understand why it may not all make immediate sense to someone who didn't grow up here.
And in the US, there’s definitely a subset that believes England means Great Britain or even the United Kingdom.
Same folks that referred to the entire USSR as Russia, probs.
There are plenty of people in the US that refer to England as "London".
This chart: "England, Scotland and Wales are in Great Britain"
Wight, the Scillies, Anglesey, Sheppy, Anglesey, the Shetlands, the Orkneys, the Hebrides, and thousands more: "Are we a joke to you?"
Aren't those all part of one of the other three? The orkneys and Hebrides are part of Scotland.
I think Sheppey is a joke to everyone including the people that have to live there.
I’m trying to remember though, aren’t the Jersey, Guernsey, and Man somehow closer to Scotland or Wales status than say Sheppey or the Orkneys?
Yeah, the channel islands and the Isle of Man have more autonomy. Officially they are "self-governing British Crown Dependencies".
Jersey and Guernsey have different VAT rates for instance. For years, play.com was based in Jersey solely so they wouldn't have to pay VAT on most of the cheaper stuff they sold to the mainland.
FYI "British Islands" isn't a specific name whereas all the others are
I’m not sure I follow. It looks as specific in the diagram as all the other names?
Apparently, Scots and Irish believe British == English. Or, they can't stand the thought of being labeled in any similar category as the English.
At least for Scots, this is not a general case. Some consider themselves not to be British because they don't want Scotland to be part of the UK, others will take exception to the conflation of "British" with "English" because that implies that Scotland is just considered part of England. You don't even have to have strong feelings either way about either England or the UK for that one.
At least for now, the word "British" is associated more with the political entity of the UK than the geographical entity of the island of Great Britain. That most of Scotland is on the island of Great Britain will not persuade anyone in the first camp.
Do people that live in this diagram consider “Britain” synonymous with “Great Britain”?
More likely to consider it synonymous with the UK in most contexts.
The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland should pull an epic gamer move and simplify this chart.
That would leave England quite IRAte
That might cause some Troubles.
The state Irland shouldn't be republic of Irland ?
No, the state is called Ireland as defined in its constitution.
Thanks for the information.
Can someone do one for terminology? Is calling people British mainly socially acceptable? I imagine the exception is the Irish from Ireland, but those from northern Ireland may give that a pass?
northern Ireland may give that a pass?
Never push a national identity onto someone from Northern Ireland. Because that's also a political Identity
In general British is a national identity. English/Scottish/Welsh would be a cultural identity.
You would call them what they say they are.
Call someone from Scotland British and see how that works out for you….
Seems to work very well in most cases.
What's the bets ramble81 calls himself Scottish cos his great great great great great great great great great great great great granda once sniffed a Tunnock's Teacake? 😂
I'm not going to take a pop at them because it is entirely possible that they live in Scotland, are passionate about Scottish independence and has similarly committed friends and family. Likewise, I'm only speaking from personal experience as someone who is English, but has discussed stuff with Scottish friends on occassion.
Going by the last polls it's about an equal chance whether they'd approve or not
I'm perfectly happy being called British
Just don't refer to the UK as Engurlaaand
No one outside of the UK includes Ireland in the British Isles.
I'm English and I don't either. It's a pretty obvious hangover of British imperial pretensions.
Yeh, I don't think I would either. It does feel disrepectful
"British and Irish Isles" is the most common descriptor for the whole archipelago I see, and it seems a fair one even if it's a bit long. It'd be nice if we could all agree on something catchier but that seems unlikely, all things considered
I would... (Australian)
Speaking of! Shouldn't Australia be in that chart too? And I'd like to see the "commonwealth" in the diagram too. It's all good complicated!