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[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 month ago (8 children)

where's that super next-next-gen Russian Armata thing? is that a ghost tank?

[–] exu@feditown.com 2 points 1 month ago

It's so stealthy it has never been seen in combat /s

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

T14 was officially canceled last year citing cost efficiency.

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

In all fairness tanks seem to be an outdated tool in 2025's modern warfare and everyone's refocusing on drones.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

It very much did. From the looks of it, it would've been "ok", except a notoriously unreliable drivetrain, and electronics that are almost on par with the rest of the world. However, it couldn't be built without western components, it was ridiculously expensive, couldn't be built at a high enough rate, and not combat proven.

As easy as it is to make fun of russian tanks these days, it does make a lot more sense to focus on T-90 or the likes instead. Hell, t-72m is also a reasonable choice given the circumstances.

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

they should have tried putting all those electronics on a cybertruck. i love to see rich people bullshit AND war profiteering bullshit catch fire

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[–] LuckyPierre@lemm.ee 74 points 1 month ago (42 children)

Elsewhere on Lemmy today;

Germany warns Russia may be preparing attack on NATO

Both of these cannot be true.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

If you know anything about current Russian government, you'd know that one necessarily follows the other. The more desperate Russia gets, the less reserves they have, the more bold and aggressive they're getting. There is a combination of factors leading into it, both psychological and material.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 65 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The idea is that after some kind of cease fire, russia will churn out stuff for 3-4-5 years (so mebbe 1.000 tanks?) and then not go full frontal against NATO but say take a bite out of Lithuania, just to see what the response will be.

Like they have been doing since forever (Chechnya, Moldavia, Georgia, Ukraine and so on).

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[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

This your first round in front of the firehose of lies?

Best guess: Russia is a paper bear that need to keep growling before the bookworms eat it

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 month ago

Russia wouldn't exactly not try, but they have a very 19th century realpolitik take everything and exploit the fuck out of it approach. I would have said that's silly. now, not so sure it isn't working

[–] febra@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Russia can't even take over Ukraine, let alone half of NATO to even make it into Germany. I personally think this is just fearmongering on the side of our elected officials so the military industrial complex can make a few more bucks with money from the state.

[–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)
  1. Russia doesn't need to make it into Germany to make it a disaster for all of Europe.

  2. Sure, NATO as a whole is bigger than Russia, but the troops and equipment are mostly not at the eastern border where the fighting would take place. We certainly don't have anything near the size of the Ukrainian army stationed in the Baltics. Take the US out of the equation, because let's be honest: under Trump they're not going to stand up for Europe, and the military balance suddenly looks a lot less favorable. I'm not so sure the European NATO states could mount an effective and timely response to an incursion into the Baltic states, or into Poland around the Suwalki gap.

[–] febra@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Then move troops there. The European NATO members already outspend Russia in terms of military investments. Russia can't even take over Ukraine, a country that's not even in NATO and hasn't even had any modern military equipment for a very long time. Hell, they're getting hand me downs from countries like Germany, equipment that's decades old, isn't state of the art, and needs repairs, and they're still keeping Russia at bay. Now there's articles about Russia depleting its own tank stocks and shit, not being able to sustain even a war with Ukraine, and we're supposed to believe that Russia will somehow attack Germany or Poland (which is to be fair probably better armed than Germany).

So there's only two options here: either the western press is lying about Russia depleting its stocks and they're actually holding back instead of fully invading Ukraine (God knows why they fought in Ukraine for three years now then instead of just releasing their full "military might" from the get go). Or, the western press is fear mongering about Russia actually being able to invade NATO so the military industrial complex can make a quick buck off of our tax money.

My two cents: there's no chance in hell Russia can invade any NATO country, they can barely function in Ukraine lmao. Just send troops to the baltic and you're gonna be fine. No need for trillions of euros in new guns.

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Who said the attack would be with conventional armed forces?

[–] Iceman@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

German security officials believe the Kremlin is laying the groundwork for a potential large-scale conventional war with NATO by the end of the decade, according to multiple reports cited by European Pravda and Bild.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/germany-warns-russia-may-be-preparing-attack-on-nato/

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

There are ways Russia can attack that doesn’t include massive tank charges

[–] Robbity@lemm.ee 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Have you never worked in an organization?

You can have as many preparation meetings as you want and still be on your ass when the day of judgement comes.

[–] LuckyPierre@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

"No plan survives first contact" - Helmuth

[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Russia was ridiculed by a very small army. It does not stand against NATO

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

They will not win, doesn't mean they can't deal untold damage trying

[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Right, but that would not make sense

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (8 children)

That's because you're not thinking like Putin. Starting this war in the first place was the worst possible idea that never made any sense, except it allowed Putin to reform the slipping grip on the country and cemented his regime and his vision for at least some time. But just like the empires of old, now his regime requires constant slow boiling war to operate.
He will happily sacrifice every Russian to this, he can easily afford losing a thousand men per day to the grinder. It costs very little to him. European countries on the other hand will be very very hurt by the war on their territory, and everyone understands it.

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