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Given the recent detainment of a French person who got detained because he said something bad about the current administration in his WhatsApp messages. It makes me wonder if WhatsApp is truly end to end encrypted as they claimed. How did they even single him out?

As a corollary question, if I were to pass Customs, and if I delete WhatsApp , Reddit etc just before I reach the counter, will they be able to find out that I just deleted the apps minutes ago? I’ll be deleting them from my phone but keep them on the cloud.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Any time you hear about anyone high profile using a chat app - what are they using?

They're using Signal.

There's a reason why they're using Signal; as far as security it's the best one out there. Sure, it's tied to a phone number, but a phone number isn't an identity.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Phone number is KYC'd

It is literally an identity and thats why everyone forcing you to use it now.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Another deleted comment

Note, it seems you are not allowed in this reddit to express an opinion containing doubt about the security of WhatsApp - it will be removed by mods. As such, you can not read the replies here and form a judgement about what the consensus is.

carrotcypher (mod) 1 point 3 days, 1 hour ago

Or, you know, obvious astroturfing as an excuse to promote alternatives is against the rules.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Do you think they all got instructions by the government what to censor or is it just masks off now?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

It’s more likely that Zuck or Musk paid someone to go play moderator. Anyone can become a moderator.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago (5 children)

It's very easy to take over a subreddit or Lemmy community. Become friendly with the mods, then become a mod, then subtly harass and drive out (from separate accounts) any moderators who are standing in your way, then do whatever you want.

There is a whole industry of "reputation management" that specializes in distorting the narrative on the internet in favor of your company / your government / whatever. The question is not "are there gangs of Reddit moderators who are bad actors trying to distort the conversation," the question is how many and who they are acting on behalf of.

Of course, Lemmy copied Reddit's fairly silly and failure-prone model. Why they did that, I don't know. On Twitter / Mastodon-style networks, you can do the same but you at least have to be a little bit sophisticated about it. On Reddit/Lemmy, it is trivial to do if you are patient about it and put some consistent effort into it, and you can make a ton of money if you can do it well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Thank you that is more likely.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Become friendly with the mods, then become a mod, then subtly harass and drive out (from separate accounts) any moderators who are standing in your way, then do whatever you want.

[email protected] is still a thing

[email protected] attempted takeover lead to [email protected]

So I'm not sure it's that easy

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Hmm. FOSStodon team:

The moderators are the unsung heroes of Fosstodon. They’re the people who work every single report we receive, and take appropriate action to keep Fosstodon a friendly and inclusive place for all our members.

CarrotCypher
Role: Moderator

And on Reddit:

MODERATOR OF
r/privacy
r/Pareidolia
r/opensource
r/OSINT
r/tails
… and 51 more ⇒

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The mods response is odd but also the comments are real. Who is dumb enough to think WhatsApp is safe?

Your post has been removed for being too specific to a company or single product. These days, reddit is heavily astroturfed with fake posts asking questions about companies and services by shills of those same companies and services as a form of fake organic advertising, and by competitors trying to create FUD to benefit their own product or service. This often takes the form or character assassination, libel, and conspiracy theories.

We don’t allow it, and in order to keep it from happening, we remove posts that are too close to astroturfing, corporate comparisons, personal Nd political opinions, ranting diatribes, etc.

If your question was legitimate (asking for pros and cons, potential issues, comparisons, etc), feel free to use subreddits more appropriate such as one for the company or service mentioned, or see privacyguides.org for community comparisons and recommendations to privacy focused open source software.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Well that's a way to look at it.

This def feels like censorship.

We saw Lemmy.world mods uses these clown tactics when CEo got deposed.

They just make up reasons for it it seems as they go.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

r/privacy moderators also censored this post with the same reason:

IRS nears deal with ICE to share addresses of SUSpected undocumented immigrants

Really makes you think.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Okay that’s absolutely insane. Glad I switched to here even though it’s quieter

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