This is insanely reductionist lol
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Tbf, most memes are. It's why they're memes.
Some might say it's their defining characteristic.
Muricans be like: let's make centrists look bad by using strawman arguments.
Also muricans: yeah only voting for shit or shit lite® definitively isn't a problem and voting 3rd party is throwing away my vote
i've never seen centrism so badly misunderstood.
It seems to be Lemmy in general when dealing with Centrism or Independents. Despite very little knowledge, they are very excited to tell you the things that you think.
other areas of Lemmy have been alright for me.
here however, they just repeat the brain rot "Enlightened Centrist" meme with absolutely 0 arguments being made. very lame and simple minded "politics" being done over here!
Please enlighten us.
I'll bite. Most of what I see here in this thread against Centrism or Independents is bad strawman arguments consisting of: “There are three types of people: reasonable people who agree with me, crazy fascists, and lily-livered wimps who can’t pick a side (and are also fascists)!”
If someone says that they are “centrist” they are not telling you that they base all of their opinions on being dead center in the middle of any two positions. That would be stupid.
They are telling you that they agree with neither major party on everything, and find that both parties have views that they don’t agree with. It’s pretty easy to come to that conclusion because the US two-party system packs in an almost incoherent mishmash of beliefs into exactly two sides.
There is absolutely no contradiction in being for police reform, and against riots lasting for days. There is no contradiction in being for gun rights, while also wanting massive limits on them. There is no contradiction in wanting functional government services and universal healthcare, and thinking that free markets are effective to an extent. There is no contradiction in wanting a more balanced budget, and government services to be funded properly.
The idea that there are only two (or maybe 2.5 depending on where you live) sides in politics is a strange delusion created by your two party system.
The reason the meme creator is running into situations like this is because they don’t witness the Centrist also vehemently argue with right-wing policies frequently.
They only see them argue with them and therefore have a skewed view of Centrists / Independents and their politics. If you are left wing, and argue for left-wing policies in every case, that means you will also be argued with by somebody who believes political nuance and not just waving a party flag.
Remember, the right wing also shits on centrists because they think they are secretly left-wing since they argue with their stupider points as well.
So no, these people are not secretly right-wing and just don’t have the balls to say it. That is a horrendous take no matter where you fall on the political spectrum and only serves to limit conversation.
Now you go.
Are you 'murican? I don't think the rest of the world agrees on any of the US's "definitions" of left, right and liberal. From a European POV, the US democrats are really, really far to the right. Sanders might be leaning toward the center. The republicans are a strange mixture of libertarian regarding economical matters and very very right-wing/intrusive on personal matters. Whenever someone even mentions/comments other people's sexual orientation and identity I automitcally assume they are creep that wants to sniff other people's bedsheets. How can you be partly libertarian and also creepily nazi-intrusive? US-republican invention I can't wrap my head around, that is.
Europeans are like vegans and Arch users, but somehow even less funny
i hate to break it to you, but there are a lot of leftists that are very comfortable with genocide.
Which centrists actually support any amount of genocide?
Plenty of centrist liberals support Israel's "war against Hamas". US president Joe Biden and the Democratic party for example.
that has nothing to do with the ideology of centrism itself and would be ridiculous to even pretend so.
it has to do with the complexity of the situation, and more specifically for everyone supporting Israel, having to do with maintaining country relations moreso than the edit: humanist ideals unfortunately.
Right: Let's cut off our Dicks.
Left: Let's not cut off our Dicks.
Center: Guys, your going to have to compromise, let's just do some dick cutting.
Right: I guess I can live with that for now.
Left: No.
Center: See, this is why no one likes the left, you guys are the real extremists, smh
That's not what centrism means. It's not an immediate compromise between the two. It's acknowledging that not every single stance held by a political party is the correct one.
I can support background checks and other limitations on firearm purchases, and also not want open borders. We should be doing something about the excess of gun violence, and we should be doing something about the thousands of immigrants jumping our border.
Extremists be like "You're either with me or against me!"
Is that such a wrong position to have when the questions are as starkly "respect human rights or don't respect human rights" as most issues are in today's conversation? This isn't a discussion on the minutia of how much money should be allocated to transit subsidy, this is "should the queers be allowed to exist?" and "should women have rights?" and "do parents have the right to ruin their child's life just because they're the parent?"
If you really think there's a middle ground there, either you're a fucking idiot, or you actually don't and you're just trying to pretend you do because you know your actual answer is morally indefensible unless you ascribe to a world view that has no business being respected in a democratic rights respecting society.
I'm an extremist when the issue is "should we do a genocide".
On the "no" side, to be clear. I will indeed not accept any answer other than that one.
Right: These people who don't share my opinion need to be genocided!
Left: No! THESE people who don't share MY opinion need to be genocided!
Centre: Could... Could we, like... Not have a crisis on our hands FOR FIVE FUCKING SECONDS!?
I really want to know where you get the idea that the left wants genocide, especially over a difference of opinion. It's so antithetical to my values that it's downright funny.
Centrists - making the world a friendlier place for fascism since forever.
That's not the center's position. That's the position of people pretending to be center.
It's more like:
Left: "Let's destroy people's livelihoods with higher taxes on small businesses and also force people to do things they don't agree with. "
Center: "Um, that's not a good idea. Let's not do either of those things."
Right: "Yeah, that's right! Let's commit genocide and make it easy for murderers to get weapons."
Center: "No, that's way worse! What the hell?"
Left: "That's it, if you don't agree with us, you're the enemy!"
Right: "Exactly!"
Center: ....
Left: "Let’s destroy people’s livelihoods with higher taxes on small businesses and also force people to do things they don’t agree with. "
Jesse, wtf are you talking about??
If "the left" raises taxes on a business or individual that pays close to 0 and normal taxes bankrupts them, is that bad?
fInAnCiAl GeNoCiDe
whY wOnt AnYbOdy tHinK oF tHE PoOr rIcH peOpLe!???
Except that's literally not what the left wants
But the right literally wants genocide?
Depends on where. America? Yes
Centrist is picking and choosing from each side, not doing a little of everything.
I'm also picking and choosing from each side, which is why I'm a leftist. Does that make me a centrist?
the dogshit stupid takes i see in this community are just proving that nobody here has actually ever encountered a centrist
please do tell me about your mythical centrist
This comment does not inspire confidence in your willingness to actually read it.
You people make up such fantasies in your head. This is far from the common trail of thought.
Bro/Sis this is what is happening in the debate about refugees in Germany right now so no, actually you are wrong
Any relevant links? I tried to google it, but it seems to me that the debate is about funding them - not about killing them.
Well, back when Steinmeier was our foreign minister and toured poor countries to advertise Germany as the land of opportunity and wealth because corporations wanted slaves they don't have to pay properly, I was called a Nazi by many for saying that they won't find any opportunity or wealth in Germany. Our government never had the well-being of immigrants in mind, they just stuffed them into dilapidated "refugee camps", told them their education is insufficient and left them to rot. I am not surprised.
Echo chambers and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
Surprisingly, simply saying "EcHo ChAmBeR!!1!" without counter arguments has not fixed the problem.
I'm as shocked as you are.
Why are millennials killing genocide?
Has the woke agenda gone too far?
Because of avocado toast
Nobody wants to 'cide anymore