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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

I love the idea of using it, but between getting married, looking for better jobs, and maintaining friendships, I haven't found the time to study for the amateur radio exam, which appears to be considerable.

GMRS is $35 and a license so that I can use a radio with my family, husband, and licensed friends while skiing or mountain biking, making localized communication easy, while the cert process was mostly friction free (looking at you, ancient FCC website and the guides needed to figure out licensing- something less dedicated people forgo, hint hint). The friction for getting ham licensed makes it difficult for young people who don't have much time for additional hobbies.

I do hope it's around when I'm older and (hopefully) have more free time!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Allow encryption.

I don't want to talk on open air with anyone and everyone able to listen in.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

Make it affordable isn't a reasonable request...

How about don't trash talk inexpensive equipment. "This $4k radio is what you need, not that Chinese junk." Watch the majority of people will just walk away.

My unused general license is a perfect example. The multiple free HF antennas and free LMR400 run to my free 30' antenna mast I was given didn't even put a dent in offsetting the cost of a radio to use the equipment I have rotting away.

I'll keep my dual band tyt and my 2m Kenwood. If there's an emergency where it is useful, I'll use it.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I listen to the hams on my scanner and I’m not trying to take a test, buy a fancy radio just to shoot the shit….I have the whole internet in my pocket I can do that with.

I travel the US with my scanner and listen in….i just don’t see the appeal other than the electronics side of it, and there are other areas to learn about that.

I’d like to want my tech license, but I just don’t know why….sounds like a membership to the dork club, but I’m already in it, so I’m conflicted.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Give them a reason. I got my license for giggles. It expired because I had no reason to use it or means to get equipment. Honestly if you (whoever cares to push it) can't find niches it complements or fits in.... Why even? You can talk across the planet with <$50 in electronics via used PCs, tablets, raspberryPi, etc... unlicensed and near anonymously.

Plus... Ham Is what? A voice call? Ick. You'd have a better chance at brining back Cybikos.

At the end of the day all you need are dank memes.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is very one sided. There's SO much more to ham radio than voice.

Maybe the question is "How do we get people to think that ham radio is more than just a voice call?"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes. I got my ham tech in ~08 and that's all I really know it does.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not on it myself because permits. I am on meshtastic and helping to grow the mesh, because no permits. I'll end up getting GMRS (instead of continuing to use it illegally) because no test, but haven't yet because permit. "No encryption" is also pretty lame.

I don't even mind that if I could use it, all there is in my area are geezers talking about their lawnmower and what they're grilling today, that's kinda nice actually, but I have to learn 433 questions because you never know what'll be on the test and my ADHD respectfully declines.

That's just me, I'm sure others have other reasons.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Make it so federal agents don't show up if you do it wrong?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Present it as an alternative to social media -- one without the kinds of mental health issues and corporate controls.

Present things like electronics tinkering as a life skill instead of a hobby. That includes the Tech license.

It's a long shot, sure.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Make clubs accessible for younger people again. Lots of clubs became old man's clubs that aren't where kids want to hang out. Clubs are a great way to get access to gear without having to buy it and be able to use it via the club license(s).

I think showing the different types of communications available, including sat coms is helpful. Not everyone wants to ragchew with old men.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Frequently bigoted old men. I'm in a very liberal area, and still, hardly a day goes by where the morning "check in" calls don't take several very problematic detours about trans people or crime statistics or both.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Ah, so that hasn't changed. I last had contact with hamradio through a friend 25 years ago and it was just what you described. Bigots, racists and otherwise unpleasant men. And it truly was all men. I was interested in this hobby, but why would I pursue this if almost all people you'd talk to were assholes?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, they usually have me changing band as I want well away from that, i don't want them hopping across.if I stay there But even just unprobalamtic farmers chat ain't going to be appealing to most kids.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think it’s pretty screwed. What is ham radio? The name means nothing to today’s youth, it’s just confusing and they’ll move on to something else. Our attention is so fractioned these days that no one will stick around to find out more, we’re never bored. And you need boredom to get into this type of thing.

What can you do with ham radio? Talk to strangers? You can do that online with milliohms of resistance whereas getting on ham radio is megaohms of resistance in comparison. What I’m saying with this resistance analogy is that ham radio has a big learning curve and friction. You’re competing with the internet, social media, games. Ham radio simply doesn’t have a good hook, it doesn’t have a good incentive.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

The name means nothing to today’s youth

Story time: When I was a kid in the late 90s, there was a fad for toy walkie-talkies at my school. I was obsessed with seeing how far I could get my signal, which wasn't very far given the likely minuscule power.

The teachers decided to capitalize on this trend by inviting a representative of a local ham club to speak at our school. I was absolutely floored when I learned you could talk around the world. Two things kept me from pursuing my license at the time. There was still a code requirement, and nobody for the life of me could tell me what lunch meat had to do with wireless communication.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Tell them it is cooler to talk on radios than headphones playing CoD

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

Make it easier to get into? I've wanted to for years but when I looked into studying for the test (which can only be taken in another city in my state and only a few times a year), I found a like 4 hour long video and when I tried watching it it was like someone speaking a foreign language. I don't have a ton of free time to study for the test and it seems like I need to already be a master electrician to even study for the test.

So yeah, maybe don't make it so difficult and more people might want to get into it?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This exactly. My brother keeps trying to get me into it. It's hard to even take the test let alone how boring it is to study for. I want someone who's passionate about it to explain it to me. I also have hella ADHD so that's a factor for me personally lol.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh same here. It's a struggle to listen to a monotone voice talk about numbers and electrical terms I'm completely unfamiliar with.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Are you eligible for a US license? HamStudy.org and study for the Technician’s license. Memorize the answers. Then when you are passing practice exams with a solid 80% or better, schedule your remote exam through the HamStudy website, take it, then get on the air.

I did my Tech from a beachside resort in the Philippines during the peak of the pandemic.

You can do it!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'm intensely jealous of people who couldn't work during COVID (well more specifically those who could manage or were being paid still). Working at a grocery apparently makes you as essential as a doctor or nurse...

Great advice though, sir or madam.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I love hamstudy's algorithm, that it feeds you back questions you missed later. I actually contacted them once to see if they could maybe also do aviation knowledge tests (which are formatted almost exactly like amateur radio tests; they're both government ABC tests) but we tripped over a source for the question pool, the FAA doesn't publish it.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

This is helpful advice, thank you.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you're in the US, you can test online! https://hamstudy.org/sessions/remote

I do agree that the test itself could be tuned down a bit, especially for the tech license. hamstudy.org also has all of the test questions available online to help you study.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Thanks, I'll try to remember to check this out after work!

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I’m not a youth but as an outsider who’s seen a few posts from this community, one thing I feel like you guys could focus on a little more is the typical day to day experience of amateur radio operating. What you’re actually doing and not just the tech/setup stuff. That stuff is interesting but w/o the context of what you do once you’re done setting up your radio would be interesting to see more of as someone who is genuinely interested in getting into the hobby.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As a youth interested in ham, I couldn't agree more. It's been surprisingly difficult to find stuff for beginners who know pretty much nothing. Even having studied for the ham exam, there's still a huge gap between that and the generally available information.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I wonder if the way to go is to start with the premise of "It's a way to communicate" and work backwards. Better tooling could make it more amenable to new users, and also help make specific use cases more compelling. Once users have he reason you want to be in the ecosystem-- which I suspect, for many people, might look more like a community than a bag of one-off contacts-- then it justfies going deeper into better equipment and technique.

Discoverability is a huge thing. For example, a cheap SDR, even receive-only, is a magical thing, but you end up getting a waterfall full of "what's this weird burst" and jumping around the dial trying to chase where the action is. I suspect better software could really help there-- a UI that decodes digital modes and CW in the right place, and archive received signals might make it easier to track the activity and reduce the problem of "I tuned elsewhere and missed something interesting"

If you start with one of the cheap 2m/70cm HTs, you might be able to find a local repeater, and once you work your way through the fidgety UI, even send a transmission. but are you just going to find empty air much of the time. Again, it's hard to find the action, and make sure you're actually being a positive contributor. I think this has been a problem for me; I got licensed, got my little HT, but now I have the choice of either listening to static, or waiting for a conversation and hoping I have everything configured right enough not to be an annoyance. Maybe better guide websites and scheduled events can help minimize "listening to static" disappointment times.

I could see a fun community project being an autoresponder bot-- in idle times, it would listen to an advertised frequency, detect speech and CW signals and respond with signal quality reports quickly and conveniently to make it easy for a new user to make sure they've got their equipment set up right without barging into a conversation. I know there are ways to test propagation, but a lot of it is "go find a second device and pull up a tracking website"

There might also be room to think of ham radio more as a "transport protocol" than as the main draw. CW and some digital modes feel like they could be packaged up in tools that more resembled modern IM/chat tools to increase accessibility and encourage understanding of best practices. (For example, let the software handle things like regular identification and responding to requests to change transmission characteristics automatically, or at least by providing helpful affordances) Or even a "dashboards and logs" paradigm for recieve-- let the software decode hundreds of hours of signals and then you can crunch it into interesting and useful visualizations.

I admit some of this could be seen as "dumbing down" or steering towards specific narrow paradigms, but that doesn't have to be the entire universe. It could be the equivalent of AOL or Compuserve to the open internet-- making sure that you can get value out of the experience early on, so people can transition to the broader open platform as their needs and skills grow.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

I found the most effective way to get a nerd into ham is: mention that ham radio is in the criteria to become an astronaut. Suddenly they're doing the study courses all on their own. Granted, they have to already be a nerd. ;)

For the non nerds, the prepper angle seems to work with some.

The thing you have to deliver is the "why", not the how. If they've decided they want to learn it, they will.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

I have a ham radio

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Get them interested in LoRa. Ham radio might follow after that. LoRa is the new ham radio anyways.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

I’ve been really interested in the LoRa stuff especially as the state of communication infrastructure (and the electrical infrastructure behind it) is always at the brink of collapse where I am. The only problem is that there is zero chance I can even buy the parts for this “strange encrypted radio” without being arrested under accusation of espionage. If not by the government then by the other guys.

As a backup emergency messaging system we really need it but I really need to not rot in a jail cell that smells of death 20 meters under Beirut street level and need both of my kneecaps.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Meshtastic. It's cheap and the UI is familiar and it's fun to share.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yep. Super cheap and also, I think, more interesting technically.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I've got a few pocket nodes, got a solar node on my roof and just outside the range to transmit into a massive mesh we have around the city. But i hear all the chatter.

Honestly its far more boring than anything I've done with ham radio. No one is having conversations, there are no nets, no socializing using the technology. Just people pinging from random locations.

Where as with my ham license I have local repeaters where we have nets on different topics, including one at midnight for anyone who is up. I chat with people using DMR, EchoLink and Allstar to get out to places all over thw world with just an HT. I do HF work for contests, rag chewing SSB, CW and digital modes. I build hardware and antenna, work from parks, collect QSL cards.

And i also bought a $30 meahtastic radio that i occasionally get a "Ping from downtown, anyone hear me?"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Talk to them about climate change

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