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And before anyone makes a cheeky "what do you need this for 🀨" comment, I'm a writer. I'm not going to murder anyone I promise, I just want to write a scene where one guy gets poisoned.

I need something that doesn't require modern technology to extract/produce, and would make sense to be avaible in a place with a temperate to mediterranean climate. The slower, the better. Does a plant or something like that exist or do I need to make one up?

Update: I looked into death cap mushrooms and they might be just what I'm looking for! Long reaction time, and being dried doesn't make them less toxic! (the scene takes place in midwinter so no fresh ones would be avaible) If anyone has more info on them, please do share.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Whole maybe not β€œpoisons” by definition I have a couple scary stories of people working in damp, moldy office and basement environments and after a couple years getting rare autoimmune and neurological disorders that killed them. One being my uncle, my family tried to get his workplace to test where he worked because the doctors said that’s most likely where he contracted it, but they refused. We weren’t looking for money, just trying to save the next guy. I was fairly young when this happened so I don’t remember all the details.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Didn't that happen to Brittany Murphy (90s actress), then her boyfriend/husband shortly thereafter?

So strange.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

Apple seeds contain cyanide, simply crushing them will release the poison and it can be added to something else, although it's not very slow.

There's also the Destroying Angel/Death Cap mushroom, whose symptoms can take up to a day to even start, by which point the toxins have been incorporated and destruction of liver and kidney tissue is irreversible. They also contain toxins that can cause severe DNA damage, making it so your body can no longer repair itself after exposure, and you slowly die cell by cell.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I'm thinking metal poisoning over time. Lead or copper, for example.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No that's pretty obvious and can be easily treated, doctors keep an eye out now.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago

it's absurdly easily detected and somewhat easily treated today, not in op's setting

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Wait, can copper be poisonous?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

Yes. Here's a video describing a copper poisoning case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saxga-xm0Rk

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

all metals that bind to sulfur well are to some degree poisonous. these are lead, mercury, thallium, some platinides (in salt form), arsenic, and also copper, but less than others. some metals have other mechanisms of toxicity, like nickel, hexavalent chromium, cadmium, beryllium or barium. some of these accumulate in brain or bones, and some don't. some are more toxic when inhaled like zinc or chromium

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yes, but not as much as many other metals. We'retalking large amounts over a long period of time.

On sidenote, everything is poisonous, it's just a matter of dosage.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

On sidenote, everything is poisonous, it’s just a matter of dosage.

That's a terrifying way of viewing it, thank you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Over time most metals can build up in your body if they're not in a compound your body can process.

Copper, lead, cadmium etc - it's difficult for your body to expell them so they build up in your tissues

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Alcohol. Sometimes it takes 30 or 40 years to be effective. Not very good for murder, but wildly popular for suicide.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

Mushroom poisons usually are slow actors. They take a few days while they kill your liver, and then you'll follow suit.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I’m neither a writer nor a scientist, but there’s a copy of this on my bookshelf and I wish I could lend it to you: Deadly Doses: The Writer’s Guide to Poisons

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Does anyone remember when the writer googled a recipe for their historical novel and copy pasted the first result - which turned out to be fictional from Zelda BOTW

edit: https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2020/8/3/21352299/zelda-breath-of-the-wild-red-clothes-dye-traveler-gates-of-wisdom-john-boyne-google-search-results

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

I recommend an American diet: ultra-processed foods, excess sodium, saturated fat, refined grains, calories from solid fats and added sugars, and avoid vegetables like the plague! The target will be dead within 50 years...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

well you can try to look it up - slow acting poisons in minecraft.

on a more serious note, as others have noted heavy metal poisoning like mercury or lead.

I have another one - sulphur. Readiy available throughout ancient times, and non-toxic by itself (S8 form that is). But many of it's compounds are toxic in varying degree. You can look its wiki page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur) for some commonly available toxic salts, but I also have some ideas to incorporate in story - burning of sulfur (in incomplete form producing SO2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_dioxide). You can incorporate it very easily (someone tampered someone elses fireplace or incense sticks if we also want to hide any wierdities with flame). By itself it iis not very toxic, almost odorless, and not a strong color. It has existed even in food stored for long time due to degradation of sulfur containg organic compounds, wiki page also lists that wine this (another potential vector to supply this). When in body, it can produce H2SO3 (sulphurous acid) and by inhaling/ingesting small amounts for long time - it will gradually destroy alveoli/stomach inner lining and liver. Sulfur by itself is very cheap (you can find ores in a lot of places around the world, relatively easy to mine, also found near volcanic places), humans have used it in trying to make medicine out of it, and it has huge amount of history in alchemy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemical_symbol, https://www.thoughtco.com/tria-prima-three-primes-of-alchemy-603699). In fact, since it is present in humans naturally, and msot organic matter for that matter - small amount of sulfur being present in someones' reports will not raise a special eye, and they would just be recommended to not eat food that is traditionally know to have much sulfur (for example garlics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allyl_isothiocyanate). Garlic extract can also be used to deliver large amount of isothiocynate, but this would be a seperate method of poisoning all together - it is much more lethal, so not very slow acting, but one can keep giving a dose of this below lethal dose to keep damaging liver, and a final blow sometime.

I hope you find this helpful, and I hope no villagers in minecraft are killed by this.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The phrase "in minecraft" must trigger alarm bells in some intelligence agency at this point

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's why those of us who poison people for fun and profit have started appending "in roblox". The spooks will never catch us.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

delightfully devious

edit: hey I'll give you 20k robux to commit a heinous crime on my behalf (on fortnite)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

At work I learned that cyanide is actually very dangerous because it accumulates its effects. Like you have a little now and a little later, then suddenly you can't get up from bed so you call in sick. Its dangerous stuff.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

cyanide doesn't accumulate, it can be broken down in some hours (very small amounts of course). otoh many heavy metals do behave this way, maybe you worked with both at the same time

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Pretty sure there's at least one Agatha Christie novel that uses that idea. A little here, a little there...

Although, actually, maybe it was the other way round, like someone was deliberately dosing themselves gradually to build up a tolerance. Something like that.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago

Yeah, in a historic setting, use something readers will recognize, as well. Arsenic, Mercury, that kind of thing. They've been used as a poison, and have accidentally poisoned, for so long that they're tropes of their own. Both of those in specific were available in the region you're using.

Plus, they're going to be really easy to describe the actions of, and don't require medical knowledge to understand the effects of. Well, the stuff that's going to be useful to show on page anyway, the stuff that happens inside organs might take a little.

[–] [email protected] 111 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

In almost every case in fictional writing it's better to make up a poison then use a real one. That way you don't have someone picking it apart later. Also you can give it whatever properties you want/need. Now excuse me while I continue to work on my immunity to iocane powder.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

That or just do the classic ones of arsenic or cyanide and just roll with it.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 6 days ago (5 children)

They're gonna pick it apart anyway. A reader criticized the historical accuracy of a fantasy novel my sister wrote.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (3 children)

H-how does one even criticise something like that? Like, "you got this and that wrong about the world you made up"?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I knew a guy I was working summers with in college. Said he did not like roger rabbit because it was unrealistic.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I do like Roger Rabbit because it's unrealistic.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

Yeah, best just to ignore pedantry, it’s a mental illness.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago

What do you mean by slow? Time till symptoms? time till death? Hours? Days? Weeks?

Raw castor beans contain ricin its a cool looking plant that gets big. My neighbor grew on once accidentally.

symptoms commonly begin within two to four hours, but may be delayed by up to 36 hours.

Unless treated, death can be expected to occur within 3–5 days; however, in most cases a full recovery can be made.

Actually a lot of beans are toxic when raw, but not deadly. Raw lima beans are special though; they contain something that the human body breaks down into cyanide. No clue how long that takes or how many it would take to cause harm.

Heavy metals (mercury, arsenic, cadmium, lead) are known for building up over time with many exposures. Think mad hatter syndrome, etc. but exposures can also be acute if high enough. IIRC acute arsenic poisoning makes you vomit and diarrhea until you die of dehydration after days or weeks.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

Time. It's very slow but will get them in the end.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Heavy metals in artists’ oil paints.

You can always dig into true crime, see what methods are used to kill husbands.

Check out ChubbyEmu on YouTube. He’s a pharmacist who presents strange and interesting medical stories (with dramatic re-enactments) involving unusual chemical exposures that damage and sometimes kill people. Examples: soda, coconut water from a bad coconut, a fermented soup, ivermectin ordered online, lab chemicals stolen by a student and given to a disliked roommate, and so on. Maybe something there will inspire you. ChubbyEmu does a good job of breaking down complex medical into an easily digestible format.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Doing research like this is really interesting, but also makes me think if I'm on a list now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Apple seeds contain cyanide, and are easy to get in quantity without raising suspicion. How long does it take? No idea.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

As a writter you should get enough details wrong that someone trying to follow your recipie fails. Ideally they are also caught.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That'd require someone to actually read my stuff.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

See people? I told you that everyone on lemmy is one person! But noooo!

Here's the proof. I can't even buy readers. This has to be me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago
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