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Some economists support the move, while automakers worry about flooding market

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

No, because these cheap EVs from China are essentially cheap because of slave-like forced labour.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

And Canada will still have to dispose of them at the end of their working lifespan.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

I'll take all the battery packs you want to drop off with me. LiFePO4 batteries will still have 80% SOC left after 5-6000 charges.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

One Canadian startup is working on resource recovery and recycling.

Another is repurposing EoL EV batteries for residential and business BESS, Battery Energy Storage Systems. This link is an interview, so info is there, but more of a long read.

Once an EV battery is no longer optimal for use in a vehicle, it doesn't become useless. Much like "disposable" vapes, the batteries are still very much useful. If not for repurposing, then for resource recovery.
Is there a long way, and a lot of funding needed, for reuse/recycling of Lithium batteries? Fuckin rights. This isn't just an EV issue though. Our modern life is largely powered by Lithium batteries, and we need to step up our game, globally, with reuse and recycling.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I agree but unless it's affordable and effective I suspect its the same greenwash that plastic recycling has been. Will our grandkids have lithium in their bodies from all the dodgy lithium battery fires we'll be seeing over the next 20 years?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Fair point. One thing that gives me hope is that the two startups I mentioned don't seem to have direct connections with battery manufacturers or retailers.
The main issue with specifically plastic recycling is that it was brought into existence by the very companies pumping out millions of tonnes of plastic as an effort to put the guilt for the pollution on the consumer. And was started without an actually viable way of recycling said plastic.
Hopefully these efforts with batteries will get funding, and prove to be both cost effective and popular.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Look, I hope for the best. Lithium is a limited resource and we should be trying to reclaim as much as possible. But capitalism is a piece of shit engine that'll take the cheapest method to make money and run with it regardless of the impact.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Fuckin rights bud, absolutely agreed.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago

The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 19 hours ago

It is time for Canada to stop blocking affordable EVs, and the most affordable are Chinese EVs. As long as Canada's transportation infrastructure forces dependence on personal vehicles (except in major urban centers) alternatives to burning fossil fuels must be encouraged, not blocked.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Let’s be honest if they sold a quality ev here cheaply I’d be all for it.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Canada only put the tariff on to please the US. That ship has sailed. Canada doesn’t have an auto industry independent of the US. The US is trying to take that whole pie. Canadians still need cars and Canadian autoworkers need more reliable OEMs. Canada should get rid of the tariff on Chinese cars and focus on bringing non US based manufacturers into Canada. Preferably South Korean, Japanese and German, but buying some Chinese goodwill and hopefully improving diplomacy with them wouldn’t hurt.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

You don't bring foreign manufacturing here by removing the tariffs. You keep the tariff (adjusted) to incentivize local production, and if needed subsidize them building a factory here. Then adjust the tariff to make the imports more expensive than the local production.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

China recently retaliated to the long standing tariffs we placed on their EVs.

I think there are a lot of potential issues regarding privacy and security and Chinese EVs.

A tariff is not a solution to those problems. Having privacy and security mandates FOR EVERYONE to follow would be a good thing.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

The concern is there. Canada should let Chinese vehicles in, but should also mandate security and privacy focused specs. China should be willing to compromise to play ball in North America. There’s a path towards improved relations if both sides want it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just as a big fuck you to Musk's Tesla and the traitor-in-chief, we should absolutely decrease this nonsensical, 100%, never seen before, extraordinary tariff. First let's cut it to 50% and let's see how many Chinese cars enters Canada's market ... if it's a flood, we should increase the tariff again. ... if it's only a trickle, let's decrease the tariff again.
Remember we also want China to decrease their tariffs on Canadian products.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

China is nobody's friend. They are an advanced authoritarian autocracy with significant territorial ambitions on this planet and in space. We made the mistake of relatively freely trading with them for decades, which helped destroy our manufacturing base while providing them funds to buy significant parts of our country in return, while they supported terrorist regimes like North Korea and bullied all their other neighbors in Asia. They are not friends, no matter how much they smile at us.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

i mostly agree with you here.
Astonishingly, we might have to ask ourselves which regime, in China or USA, will be worst in the next few years.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We should build electric cars here under the European brands.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

But the European brands are switching (some models) to Chinese platforms from their Chinese partnerships. 🥹

If we get BYD (or equivalent) factories here, we're cutting the middle man. Staffing them with union workers along with Canadian environmental and labor regulation should ensure they aren't poisonous slave shops.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

I think we should diversify away from the US and China as much as possible. So no, i don't think we should ease off tariffs on Chinese goods.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have issues with it, they just executed Canadian citizens for “drug offences.” In all reality it is because of the trade issues we have with them.

But I do recognize that we are only tariffing them because the US wanted us to.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

As far as I read our officials had problems with the punishment, not the crimes.

They were dual-cirizens. If they're Chinese citizens and according to China's legal system they had to go, how would it look in China if they don't apply the rules because they were also Canadian citizens?

Flip it around, some Canadian citizens commit crimes that call for life in prison in Canada. Would we expect our courts to not sentence them because they also hold Chinese or some other citizenship?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 23 hours ago

I did not know that they were dual citizens, that changes my out look.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think we should stop doing business with all hostile states regardless of what they have to offer.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

I agree, making a Faustian bargain with one evil authoritarian regime because we're afraid of the prices of the evil authoritarian regime on our border is just trading one problem for another problem. Both these countries are happy to destroy our economy, destroy the environment we live in, destroy their own people, and to destroy us if they can get away with it.

EVs are going to be expensive if they are made responsibly by people who are paid fairly. Life is going to be expensive. This is the cost of living responsibly on this planet and having a future for ourselves and our children, and it is not negotiable and cannot be dodged, hidden, offset, or rejected. Deal with it. Be prepared to change your way of life. We will manage. We are tough, resilient people, and we will lead the way into a future that, while it might not be the utopian ideal we wished it to be, will perhaps at least be a future where we can continue to breathe air and not wildfire smoke.