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this post was submitted on 19 Mar 2025
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Seeing a lot of upvotes on a post or comment feels nice, seeing that mass social approval of whatever my contribution was. But I also never had any interest in engaging in low-effort posts to get that same reward. I also think the Lemmy hivemind disapproves of low-effort posts like that so such behavior would not be rewarded.
I do wonder what motivated people who made low-effort posts for karma, and why I don't seem to see it here even though we share an upvote/downvote system. Identifying that might help us at least figure out what not to do so that we do not set up a system that encourages that behavior. We do still clearly have the ability to see upvotes on posts and comments.
It is also possible I'm seeing low-effort posts but they are not rewarded as heavily and I mentally dismiss it as "just someone trying to get any activity going on the Fediverse at all." I sometimes just post a link and let it be because it's relevant to the community, I thought it was cool, and I'd like to see some Fediverse activity there but don't really have anything original to say. It's possible the low-effort posts are not rewarded not because the Lemmy hivemind disapproves of low effort but because they just don't see it in the tiny little community I posted in that receives maybe an average of 3 upvotes per post.
For what it's worth, I'm not using "Lemmy hivemind" in a derogatory fashion here, I just mean it as "the general sentiment of most Lemmy users".
maybe there could be different types of communites. Some where people contribute original stuff (main communities/most of the platform in numbers) where irregulatity doesnt matter
And some selected Rss-feed like communities with repost bots of top articles. To give you regular updates on certain topics and offer discussion for everyone in there ... I quite liked my local news sub for that (r/de): Rather than just algorithm based news apps that try to influence you the most with their headlines, I got to see what people thought of certain quoted parts in the article
.. but I see how the platform got destroyed by that too.. Idk
Currency is not inspiration.
I'd rather have cooperation instead of competition as primary incentive: "If I post quality content, others might want to post quality content as well"
fair take, so you say additional no features at all or could you see something have potential to encourage regular posts?
I just accidentally deleted a long text (Lemmy-UI has bad button placing), but the gist is social problems of the following communities as examples:
- [email protected] has little expertise,
- [email protected] has little engagement.
The existing users are afraid to tell stories of their own, which would create positive feedback loop of engagement.
Maybe try to get used to how lemmy is instead of immediately trying to change it into a carbon copy of reddit.
I prefer being able to separately see the number of down votes.
Also your redditisms are a great reminder of how people here talk normally instead of exclusively in quips
What Redditisms are you speaking of? The OP seems to be talking normally, I don't really see any quips.
Ye I just see the content holes and a big reactive userbase.. Also I browse alot and dont see that much media/links in communities that are based on giving you regular posts/slice of currents, does that make sense?
I know karma has its problems, I just want the discussion to be about what features could help combat this conflict.
Jfc, no.
Karma was part of the problem with reddit, we don't need or want it here
a christian samurai!
Alas, while I do have a bias against religion in general, it isn't because I'm christian
You typed jfc.. I wanted to be silly too..
I asked for thoughts on features to boost intent for posting more not "pls implement karma"..
Ahhhh, gotcha!
I currently miss a point system to motivate me that shows people via my profile how much I could help by posting/commenting.
Wut?
Are you expecting, like, a bidding war or something?
Gamification, makes people addicted. Its fake points nobody cares about. But its still a massive psychologic lever. I ofc see the problems of a karma system, but theres just so many content holes in my current browsing experiences of for example links or media posts in communities that work like that.
Generally people browse more and chatch up with such content. And even question-posts often have like double digit votes but not even one comment. Thats where Im coming from
Well, we all would like more engagement on the Fediverse, but most of us do not want it in exchange for engagement algorithm hell. There leads the path to even more politics than is already posted but now with an extra serving of vitriol, "hey let's look at this video of a stranger being an asshole, get enraged, and insult them," and controversial takes on someone's "am I the asshole?" post drowning out actual cool stuff that appeals to most, but that also doesn't make them type out 7 paragraphs online. And what cool stuff does make it up to some kind of Popular/Trending is frequently extremely short-form content, which a lot of people believe is lowering their attention span and frequently (though not always) just lower-quality than long-form content.
At least, that is what you get with an algorithm that tries to maximize engagement above all else. We'd have to balance engagement encouragement with quality, and try to avoid outrage porn getting pushed up so high at the expense of other things just because it tends to generate the most engagement.
I think a lot of us also like that we can read the unread posts and click off, instead of forever being encouraged to scroll more, so adding an addiction component on purpose would probably be unpopular.
Thanks for your perspective. I see the issues and also wish to see for more people. Ye maybe I gotta focus on growing communities more than I would normally care about ^^
Some instances disable downvotes. This is an important thing to consider for anything related to post/comment scores.
Edit: I also fear that a karma system would encourage just sticking with the overall Lemmy, instance or community mainstream, more than it is now already the case with up/downvotes and how they affect the sorting of posts/comments.
you mean like small communites would have it harder with that system?
I'm mostly referring to possibly controversial posts or comments. Some users might not want to risk losing "karma" and therefore avoid making such posts or comments, even if they don't break rules and are an interesting contribution to a community or discussion.
We don't need those. Sharing what you like is enough :)
I see the issue of karma and dont blindly like it.
But browsing experience is just a little empty and uncomplete. A lot of relevant regular posts are just missing imo where people get a platform to be reactive... since most are exactly that... (seeing question posts with 20 upvotes but no comments is the vibe Im often getting)
Maybe ask them a dumb question and they will answer it :
What are you doing tonight ? I'm knitting a pair of socks for my newphew :3
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