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For those not familiar, there are numerous messages containing images being repeatedly spammed to many Threadiverse users talking about a Polish girl named "Nicole". This has been ongoing for some time now.

Lemmy permits external inline image references to be embedded in messages. This means that if a unique image URL or set of image URLs are sent to each user, it's possible to log the IP addresses that fetch these images; by analyzing the log, one can determine the IP address that a user has.

In some earlier discussion, someone had claimed that local lemmy instances cache these on their local pict-rs instance and rewrite messages to reference the local image.

It does appear that there is a closed issue on the lemmy issue tracker referencing such a deanonymization attack:

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1036

I had not looked into these earlier, but it looks like such rewriting and caching intending to avoid this attack is not occurring, at least on my home instance. I hadn't looked until the most-recent message, but the image embedded here is indeed remote:

https://lemmy.doesnotexist.club/pictrs/image/323899d9-79dd-4670-8cf9-f6d008c37e79.png

I haven't stored and looked through a list of these, but as I recall, the user sending them is bouncing around different instances. They certainly are not using the same hostname for their lemmy instance as the pict-rs instance; this message was sent from nicole92 on lemmy.latinlok.com, though the image is hosted on lemmy.doesnotexist.club. I don't know whether they are moving around where the pict-rs instance is located from message to message. If not, it might be possible to block the pict-rs instance in your browser. That will only be a temporary fix, since I see no reason that they couldn't also be moving the hostname on the pict-rs instance.

Another mitigation would be to route one's client software or browser through a VPN.

I don't know if there are admins working on addressing the issue; I'd assume so, but I wanted to at least mention that there might be privacy implications to other users.

In any event, regardless of whether the "Nicole" spammer is aiming to deanonymize users, as things stand, it does appear that someone could do so.

My own take is that the best fix here on the lemmy-and-other-Threadiverse-software-side would be to disable inline images in messages. Someone who wants to reference an image can always link to an external image in a messages, and permit a user to click through. But if remote inline image references can be used, there's no great way to prevent a user's IP address from being exposed.

If anyone has other suggestions to mitigate this (maybe a Greasemonkey snippet to require a click to load inline images as a patch for the lemmy Web UI?), I'm all ears.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

i think so too. And even if they wouldnt be doing this, we should still treat it as if they are and fix the problem of it being even possible to gather information about users using 0-click methods like this.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

Good luck doing that in Portugal the ips are all dynamic here

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

iCloud Private Relay and similar relay services should also protect against IP tracking.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I've been blocking and reporting these nicole accounts as spam bots lately. I hope this doesn't become as bad as the spam bots in the YT comments.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

We used to do this on the EVE online forums until CCP caught on and banned inline images.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

"Man, everyone is on planet earth. How boring"

[–] [email protected] 63 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

We were using the IPs and post times to identify accounts, then checking IPs that connected to our VOIP servers so we could identify spies and either remove them or feed them false intel.

Basic counter-intel work and all for a video game heh.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This sounds super cool and interesting, is there like a wiki I can read up about that stuff??

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

theres a whole documentary about it on youtube, check out the "down the rabbit hole" channel

its very long.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 18 points 19 hours ago

Jesus i miss that time , counter intel was so easy back then

[–] [email protected] 18 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

A while back someone mentioned something similar would be possible and as a proof of concept linked to an image that would generate on the fly to include your location.

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