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I feel that “outgroup dumb” is shitposting but it’s from a real poll.

https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/5057-understanding-how-marginal-taxes-work-its-all-part

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (4 children)

When you are talking large income to larger income, that makes total sense, but are there limits for access to things like child tax credits where if you go over you are no longer eligible, causing significant increase (I just looked, and it's at $200k single of $400k jointly, so unless you have A LOT of children, I suppose there wouldn't be a huge effect)? Similar to people on government assistance who go from getting full assistance to getting nothing at a certain income level?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

lol i wonder how much that is just guessing. they just coin flipped it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Thanks, Lemmy, now I’m “that Dad”. After reading this, I went to dinner with my two teens and one of their girlfriends, so of course I had to bring this up. All three have started working after school and will need to file their taxes this year so they need to know.

But holy crap is that a seriously uncool conversation

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Don't need one. The amount of times I've had to explain how fucking tax brackets work, I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers were even more skewed towards the wrong answer.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And this why democracy won't work. How can people votw in their best interests when they don't know how basic taxes work

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

even if people were mega geniuses it wouldn't matter, money talks, and it talks a lot louder than people

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Tell me you don’t know how income taxes work without telling me you don’t know how income taxes work.

My question is who does their taxes then?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

A lot of people don't know anything about taxes and have their tax return done by an accountant, even if their situation is extremely simple (works one job, no taxable investments or capital gains, no investment properties, no foreign taxes paid).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Even if they did go through the trouble to do their own taxes, the IRS specifically instructs taxpayers to not calculate it themselves, but rather to use a "tax table" to lookup their income and next to it is listed their income tax amount.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What a fucking stupid, needlessly complicated and not accessible system

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Shouldn't it be physically possible to be taxed so much that your income lowers compared to what it was previously?

Like you would have to have a 20% bump in pay, and an increase in taxes that's like 25-50% or something insane. Of course if you cherry pick data, and pick a high ceiling, and then just barely pass a threshold you can probably make it appear, but that would be a pretty well defined statistical anomaly. And, not very much money.

edit: and this is assuming that taxes literally just don't work the way that they do, this is WITH broken tax logic.

of course, the idea of a progressive income tax is that at a certain point, it becomes untenable to hold so much money. But unless taxes are literally 100% it's hard to make the argument that you're "losing" money.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If the tax bracket for no taxes is $10k, you don't get taxed if make under that.

If the tax bracket for 5% is $10-20k, and you made $15k, the first $10k is not taxed, but the $5k is taxed at %5.

So you would never make $0 after taxes, even if you made it into the hypothetical 100% tax bracket.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

yeah, with how tax brackets actually work, this should be physically impossible, i'm just pointing out that even if it didn't it would STILL have to be a pretty substantial increase in tax, that you could easily calculate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Ah yeah. It would take a lot. Even at 90% $100m from a billion is still way more than most of us.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How dumb do you have to be? By the time you make that much money you should, in theory, know the answer definitively or have a guy.

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