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I don’t understand what’s happening in the chat, and people are super salty and not open to discussions so I see what you mean.
Why a new software though? Why not fork lemmy? Might as well call it Kilmister too. I just don't see why reinvent the wheel, especially since the issue is that of management and not technical.
The codebase is remarkably not fun to work with according to everyone I've talked to. The language (rust) is also not common for web services so many have no experience with it. These things made people want to start from scratch.
I was a Java developer before starting to contribute to Lemmy. Didnt know anything about Rust, just wrote code and resolved compiler errors until things worked. Rust is definitely not as hard to learn as some people think.
Anyone who has worked in SE knows how massive of a red flag this is. Nutomic aint wrong on principle. But aint he massively wrong at the same time.
Kotlin is a replacement for Java. But boy oh boy are they different languages allowing different things in the same VM.
The Lemmy codebase is incredibly idiosyncratic
Might as well call it Kilmister too.
Well done!
Many users on Lemmy seem actively hostile to the idea of decentralization in a way that feels self defeating. They don’t want a better alternative to Reddit, they just want Reddit 2.0 and attempts to sway them towards something better feels like pulling teeth.
I keep seeing this, and I don't really understand. Lemmy is a link aggregator that allows users to organize those links into categories/communities/etc, and lets people comment on the links and have discussions about them. From an end-user perspective, that's exactly what Reddit is. So I'm genuinely curious what's meant when people say they don't want Reddit 2.0 from a technical perspective. From a social perspective, the toxicity, brigading, shitposting, etc are definitely not desirable. But with shit moderation tools, those sort of things don't get sorted, and federation just magnifies all of those problems. Though I think disabling voting definitely helps discourage shitposting and low-effort responses.
But I genuinely do think a lot of problems really come down to the fundamentals of federation. And given how many downsides there are to it, I'm not convinced it's actually a benefit at all.
Do you mean disabling downvotes? That’s how it is on Blahaj. It definitely makes a difference to the amount of toxicity I think.
Nah, there doesn't seem to be a problem simply writing nasty comments. Personally I'd prefer getting downvoted to hell than a 'pile-on' in the comments spewing bile.
On Blahaj reports are the only way to express disapproval of content. So you could for example spread fascist dogwhistles about not liking politics, and if Ada doesn't understand the dogwhistle then your content doesn't get removed. That gives cryptofascists free reign
I've seen quotes directly lifted from fascist works upvoted by hundreds on Beehaw. The problem with only-positive user feedback is that as long as it seems like a positive statement that others support people will often grant it further support without thinking about what is actually being said.
Or at least that's what I hope was happening.
If you can point me to any comments like these, I'd love to remove them fwiw.
Would that actually violate the guidelines? This was around all the time of the defederation drama, so ages ago in internet time, and I recall looking at the guidelines and thinking "Well this isn't a bad faith argument, and it's not technically hateful unless you know where it leads."
Bad faith or not - Fascists are not accepted.
It's like this on beehaw as well!
This is the first time I heard of Sublinks, and honestly after a quick look through here in Lemmy I get the impression that main devs of Lemmy and Sublinks can work together to improve what it is currently the best option (Lemmy).
I honestly think it is way too early to have a Lemmy "replacement" even if it is all running in the Fediverse, I just think it is a split of efforts, granted, I don't know all the background that runs behind and it seems like Sublinks dev does it like a hobby too.
Regarding moving communities to Sublinks, yeah, it is up to instance maintainers, but that is a no for me, heck, I already had to recreate my stuff from the dead FMHY account I had (there was no account migration at the time), it seems like adding more decentralization to me, and we already had that with multiple repeated communities ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Finally, don't get me wrong, options and alternatives are always welcome in my book, but as I said before, it feels like way too early for me.
The thing is, sublinks lead developer tried to work with development team of lemmy. It was like pulling teeth constantly and his experience was overall negative.
This is completely false. jgrim has never opened up a single issue or PR in lemmy, and we certainly wouldn't refuse any of either. These things are easily verifiable by anyone who wants to look, its all out in the open.
Not all work with someone happens from opening up issues or PRs
As well, I should highlight the project jgrim was desiring to do was an external mod tooling system for lemmy. Not something within lemmy itself.
I see, well, I'm glad he found his way with this new project.
Many users on Lemmy seem actively hostile to the idea of decentralization in a way that feels self defeating. They don’t want a better alternative to Reddit, they just want Reddit 2.0 and attempts to sway them towards something better feels like pulling teeth.
Yes! I don't think it bodes well for general adoption when so much of the Lemmyverse is hosted on two essentially "Reddit 2.0" (by that I mean loosely moderated) instances. Assuming half the population of the Lemmyverse are people banned from Reddit for poor socialization, it means new users considering switching are most likely to first encounter a pure concentrated form of the worst aspects of Reddit userbase.
Beehaw is the only "general" instance I know of who's mods and admins seem to be actually up to the task of keeping their communities from becoming wholly exhausting and it's because they didn't allow themselves to balloon up beyond their ability to self-moderate.
Beehaw defederating with the biggest open signups Lemmy instance has definitely kept it a lot nicer. There isn't as much content, but it's also a lot less toxic.
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