Perhaps the consultant was wrong if she was only a 6yo?
this post was submitted on 15 Nov 2023
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Doctors gave my parents a choice to let my neonatal sibling die naturally. I grew up with them, loved them, and never wanted anything but the best life for them and my family.
If a doctor gives you a choice you should take it. It isn't a happy life for them, the people they should care about, or broader society.
I can only imagine how hard this may be to talk about.
I ask this question to get clarification and not make you relive a hardship in any way. So please just respond with "no thanks" if its to hard to give more details or just ignore completely.
Your comment was a little confusing to me. Can you expand on it a little so I can understand. Was your comment that it was not a happy life meant that its not a perfect life for those who are born in that situation but they find true joy and bring light to those around then from your experience? Or more give them a shot and they will show you how far they can go because they are determined to show you what the hell they are made of.
I ask this not as an outsider but as a friend who has seen a few extremes in this real including my cousin.
It's fine, ask away. It's important people think through long term implications so I'm happy to answer.
Such babies stand very low chances of living healthy normal lives. In my sibling's case they didn't live a happy or comfortable life, they precldued my other siblings and I from valuable childhood experiences, strained my parents' marriage, and were a huge burden on taxpayers and society. There were some good moments but truthfully they never brought anyone any real happiness and no one ever honestly wanted them to be around.
It's natural to want to cling on to those you love hoping the best for them, especially for mothers. My strong opinion is all things considered the kindest thing for everyone's long term wellbeing is to be strong and let them go.
As long as you keep that shitty opinion mostly to yourself that's fine. When you try advocate for it legally or socially like this don't be surprised when you end up with the Nazis and missing teeth.
My god their disabled sibling "truthfully they never brought anyone any real happiness and no one ever honestly wanted them to be around."
Talk about ableism and lack of self awareness.... Some of the most evil heartless shit I've ever read....
Lemmy has a real cast of the left wing eugencist doesn't it? Finally get to block my first non troll scum.
Talk about ableism and lack of self awareness.... Some of the most evil heartless shit I've ever read....
I guess you know their family and situation better than they do themselves
Baby was immediately taken to a state if the art NICU and had a whole team of specialists. Still has a 0.5 chance of not having brain damage when she grows up.
This is an absolutely amazing thing. But the tweet makes it seem. Like he just st with the baby and rubbed her chest. Not that she was being treated with the best equipment and by the best people.
For the Americans who don't understand the severity. 450 grams is less than 1 pound.
Hardly even a meal.
And as you said: it's pretty likely that children like this have developmental and/or behavioral issues.
This life-at-any-cost approach might be understandable for the individual parent/relative, but it's not exactly the best approach if you're a bit more detached and less emotional.
Yikes. Why is this being up voted here?
Translation: let babies who are likely to have developmental issues die.
Translation: you are exactly the myopic, emotion-driven kind of person I was talking about.
You are potentially forcing a life of misery onto the child, its parents and society as a whole, just because you are too cowardly to say that yes, some lives are not worth living. This is a mercy that every street dog is subject to, but humans not.
And don't act all "hurr durr value of human life", just look around the world. We all ignore millions of cruel deaths because it would be like real inconvenient to help them. You are dishonest and hypocritical.
A life of misery onto the child
You know that just because the kid might have a chance to develop mental disabilities doesn't mean the child is going to have a life of ''misery'' the child might be able to live a full life, the child might require a bit of support or might require alot of support depending on the severity of the child's mental disabilities
Plus who the fuck are you to decide whenever a life is worth living or not. This decision in this very specific situation should be upto both the parents and doctors
No, I just actually care about people with special needs and don't want to murder them. I have a special needs kid and I know plenty of other kids with special needs who are very happy to be alive and happy that they have parents that love them and didn't try to murder them when they were babies.
What you suggest is eugenics and it's rightly thought of on the same level as the Holocaust. It's abhorrent.
So you are emotional and irrational. You are not the right person to ask here and your opinion has hardly any value.
BTW: it's not eugenics, but euthanasia. Which is granted to every sick animal. Get your facts straight.
Euthanasia is for people who want to die. Not for murdering babies with special needs.
You're hardly qualified to judge that.
The hubris you need to have to tell someone "you are not qualified to decide about life and death, unlike me".
Would you ask an alcoholic, whether alcohol is good?
Or a Christian if Jesus is the son of God?
Or someone with a Cat in New Zealand whether that's a good idea?
Emotional attachment clouds judgment.
Euthanasia is for people who want to die. Not for murdering babies with special needs.
You’re hardly qualified to judge that.
You do not know how that person reached their conclusions. For all you know, it might be an ethical framework you know shit about, or the verification that plenty of human beings will often assume incapacity to live an adequate life rather than a rational analysis of all viable options.
Emotional attachment clouds judgment.
All humans are subject to rationalize as the result of their emotions rather than to actually reason. I'm going to go ahead and use your scale of acceptable evidence to judge whether other people are rational or not and assume that you're irrational because your narcissism prevents you from analyzing the biases you'll easily assume are clouding anyone else's judgement.
Lol I like that you're pretending to be the logical one here
How am I arguing illogical?
Seriously, explain to me, how can anybody want to create a life that is objectively way at the lower end of quality of life? How can you justify shelling out thousands of euro/dollar/whatever for such a person, while others are left more or less to die?