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[–] [email protected] 192 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (37 children)

This only works if you go to the green countries:

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 weeks ago

Chile would be good. It has a fairly strong passport, which I believe is stronger than the USA one in 2025 (before Trump), since it can still travel to the EU visa free.

[–] [email protected] 92 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 62 points 3 weeks ago

What a chad move

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Best we can do is free health care

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 weeks ago (9 children)

Don't choose Germany, though, we (and a lot of nations, actually) still for some reason have citizenship-by-blood/heritage laws more or less straight out of the 19th century, not citizenship-by-birthplace laws.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

As a German myself I would like to here some arguments why citizen by the place you happen to be at birth is better?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Why would citizenship be based on where your parents are from?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

My parents of different nationalities had me in a third country. It would be really really shit for them (and me) if I didn't share their nationality. They would have had a foreign child, who would almost always go for a citizenship as soon as possible anyway.

Much easier to just give the kid a passport if their parents have one.

And since I was born in a country that DOES have birthplace citizenship, I technically have three nationalities (only two passports though, way too much work to get the third one)

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Both jus soli (citizenship by birth) and jus sanguinis (citizenship by blood) exist more for historical reasons than because one is better than the other. Both are simply a way to try and make citizenship a more clear-cut thing, because it's as close to being a made-up thing as you can get, especially in cases such as parents having a different nationality to the child (which is even more confusing when both parents are of different nationalities).

Jus soli is more common in the Americas due to various factors, including an incentive towards immigration from richer countries during colonial times and the various movements towards emancipation of the enslaved peoples a few centuries later, but the fact remains that neither system is any more arbitrary than the other. Jus soli is often favored because it simplifies things like immigration and asylum seeking and reduces statelessness, which is still a significant issue that affects millions of people worldwide, mostly around war-torn areas.

As mentioned in another response, enfranchisement is also a very important issue that jus soli resolves, although a significant part of it is also due to other, unrelated citizenship laws that may not necessarily conflict with jus sanguinis.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

The paper trail of blood citizenship would be a lot easier to lose.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Citizenship by blood can be discriminating to children of immigrants. Say, you're born in USA and spent all your life in there, would be spit on the face not considering you as a citizen

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Basically: Resident enfranchisement. It's weird, when people born in our country and having lived here their whole life can't vote outside of local elections. My own father, for example, had a Dutch background, and was never allowed to vote in federal elections until his death. (Neither he nor I even spoke/speak a single phrase of Dutch)

Yes, things have gotten somewhat better and easier with applications for citizenship, but that there are hurdles like that to begin with, is a bit.... weird.

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 4 weeks ago (8 children)

Haha, that's not how it works outside the US.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

*for the most part.

Some places it does.

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