The table eggs you eat are not fertilized, therefore not a chicken.
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Fertilized eggs aren't a chicken either though...
Nobody eats fertilized eggs. The eggs we buy in cartons from the grocery store are unfertilized. The hen factory those eggs originate trom has no males anywhere near the ladies.
It is the rooster's job to fertilize the egg by inserting its sperm into the hen's cloaca during mating. In reality, the process of fertilization is more complex than this brief summary suggests. The journey of the rooster's sperm within the hen is rather arduous until it finally reaches the eggs and fertilizes them.
I eat fertilized eggs quite frequently. At least I assume that most of them are. (Free range chickens, 6 hens and a rooster)
You're naive as hell lol
But no one wants to eat them because they're fertilized.
The chick doesn't form instantly. If you get the eggs daily then fertilized eggs are indistinguishable from store bought unfertilized ones. Even if you wait a week or so, at most there's just like a brown spec the size of a peppercorn.
Clearly you haven't been travelling through Asia.
I'm sorry, but if you're gonna use countries like China which have a dish literally called "virgin boy eggs" and consists of eggs and urine, i dont think you have room to talk.
I didn't even mention China, you know Asia is a continent with many countries, right?
You can find information about fertilized eggs pretty easily and the first thing that pop ups on a search online is not "virgin boy eggs" but something called Balut. Well, maybe with your search history it does, but that's not my problem.
Have a look here if you are still open to expand your Asian horizon: https://www.seriouseats.com/asian-eggs-salt-cured-century-balut-tea-egg
Ok...
And yet you have had eggs that were fertilized at least once. Also that wasn't the answer given on all the Catholics sites I looked at.
"Fish on Lent" is supposed to be an act of humility, as it is historically a peasant dish.
"Eggs on Lent" is appropriate not because "eggs aren't chickens until they're hatched" but because eggs are cheap.
Of course, with the price of fish diverging heavily from meat in the wake of factory farming, one might rationally argue that the American lental feast should be burgers.
But this would not be the first time that the dogma of church history outweighs the message they're supposedly teaching.
I would argue that the American lental feast should be lentils because the words are the same AND they're cheap.
Catholic Galaxy Brain.
If eggs aren't chickens than a fetus isn't an adult.
Your argument was never if fertilized chicken eggs are chickens but if a fertilized chicken egg is meat.
Reread what they wrote
But the bible promotes abortion as a way to test if the wife was faithful
Or you can view it as part of God’s plan, a successful abortion means God didn’t want you to have a child
If you want to get really theological
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_abortion
the question isn't whether a fetus is an adult but whether it is "human". And the question of humanity boils down to whether a fetus has a soul. And a fetus doesn't have a soul until "the quickening", which is generally regarded as the point at which a woman can feel the fetus kicking in her belly (typically between week 16 and 25, on the back end of the second trimester).
So the real question a doctor has to ask before performing an abortion is whether he can detect a soul in the fetus he is aborting.
I think the biggest reason the debate continues amongst honest actors is that defining when life begins is always going to be arbitrary.
Is it meiosis - when a genetically unique human begins to form? Is it fetal heartbeat? Is it 2nd trimester? Is it birth? Is it after they've developed language and can begin to function in society?
The line is going to be arbitrary any place its drawn, and there will be people thinking it's murder to abort and others who think it's fine.
That's one end of the argument. But the other is the same argument you'll find with conjoined twins or child support payments. At what point do the needs of one individual supersede the well-being of another?
That's another arbitrary line to draw. But the fundamental problem with "pro-life" as a movement is that said line seems to be drawn to explicitly exclude the pregnant woman. In fact, the possibility of pregnancy almost feels like an excuse to weaponize law enforcement against women, such that even the possibility of being pregnant instills a perpetual social/economic obligation on an entire gender.
there will be people thinking it’s murder to abort and others who think it’s fine.
There will be people thinking its murder not to abort in quite a few circumstances. And women bleeding out in ERs, because physicians are too afraid of the civil/criminal liabilities of aiding a pregnant woman are becoming entirely too common in these so-called pro-life states.
Which is why it's so damn complicated. But I think the time line of when human life begins is the biggest sticking point because it's the one that determines the basis of all other arguments.
You have to be willing to see the other side sometimes to have an honest debate.
The best pro-life argument I ever heard was to look at pregnancy like an accident. If you cause an accident that puts someone else's life in danger, you're legally required to stop and render aid to the victim until someone else can take over - up until doing so would endanger your own survival.
To the pro-lifer, choosing to have sex was causing the accident that placed the "child" in mortal danger, and carrying the child to term was rendering aid. They also held the position that the logic meant that a raped woman had no responsibility to continue the pregnancy because it wasn't the victim's fault they were raped, and that a pregnancy endangering the mother could be terminated.
That argument could be persuasive, but only if the fetus is considered a human.
I think the time line of when human life begins is the biggest sticking point
Its an age old philosophical debate, but that's precisely why it isn't a viable candidate for policy. You inevitably get into a contradictory standard of enforcement when the liabilities for fetal death eclipse the electoral benefits of prosecuting pregnant women.
Texas isn't using these rules to adjudicate HOV lanes, for instance.
While the Texas penal code recognizes an unborn baby as a person, current transportation law in the state does not.
So the question isn't what's being raised. These are arbitrary distinctions set by the whims of the legislature.
You have to be willing to see the other side sometimes to have an honest debate.
But we're well past the point of debate. We past that point when AG Ken Paxton petitioned to stop the abortion of a nonviable pregnancy.
The best pro-life argument I ever heard was to look at pregnancy like an accident. If you cause an accident that puts someone else’s life in danger, you’re legally required to stop and render aid to the victim until someone else can take over
The act of pregnancy itself puts the mother's life in danger. However, the prospective father is not liable for providing health care to the woman he impregnated.
These theories are quaint thought experiments, but they fail to make their way into law.
That argument could be persuasive
That's the thing though, you're jumping straight to Ken Paxton as the standard example for the other side. You're judging the other side of the debate by the extremists. There are millions of pro-life people who hold that position out of legitimate concern for what they consider to be unborn children, and not because they want to control women.
Acting like the goal of every pro-lifer is subjugation of women is no different than pro-lifers acting like pro-choice people are only interested in "murdering babies."
It's an antagonistic position that prevents honest discussion and only serves to empower the extremists on the right.
People on both sides have noble goals, and acknowledging that is the first step towards seeking consensus. Calling everyone on the other side mysoginists gets them defensive, and the political right has weaponized that defensive reaction for decades and used it to create the most powerful single-issue voting group in modern history.
That’s the thing though, you’re jumping straight to Ken Paxton as the standard example for the other side.
He's the leading figure in the largest conservative state's dominant pro-life political party. If he's not the standard for "the other side" who is? He is quite literally dictating the policy by which "the other side" is being judged.
Acting like the goal of every pro-lifer is subjugation of women
This is the explicit stated goal of the most influential financial and religious leaders within the movement.
Its no secret that Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist. And it would be deeply insincere to claim abortion advocacy is - at least in part - driven by a desire among aspiring parents not to give birth to children with sever developmental issues. A down's syndrome diagnosis is a leading cause of abortion.x
These are realities that people have to confront, not caricatures we should pretend are fabrications of the opposition. Some women simply do not want to be pregnant, full stop. And abortion opponents do not believe they have the right to terminate that pregnancy, full stop. The state intervention in that decision is - explicitly and definitively - an attempt by the pro-life movement to subjugate these women.
People on both sides have noble goals
That's categorically untrue. The goals of these organization leaders range from the cynically mercenary to the outright misogynist. The goals of their members are entirely confrontational and removed from any kind of functional beneficial public policy.
This is a country that is ratcheting back everything from the public financing of emergency medical assistance to food aid for elementary school students. The goals are not noble. The perceived ends are not virtuous. The people are not simply coming at a complex problem from different points of view.
Eric Erickson, Steve Bannon, Ron DeSantis, and Mike Johnson are not your friends. They are not trying to do right by you. They do not want the best for your children.
And they aren't regular people. That's my entire point and you're intentionally ignoring it.
Pro-lofe voters are a single-issue voting group. They legitimately believe that children are being murdered en masse, and that all other political issues combined are inconsequential. The Republicans have used that fact to get millions of people to vote for a party they find otherwise abhorrent. It's why they can get religious people to vote for policies that are so hateful.
If Biden had been Pro-lofe and Trump pro-choice, millions of people would have voted for Biden instead. How many people would have swapped to vote for Trump? The Republican party is entirely dependant on the single-issue voter. The pro-life and pro-gun voting groups are why they are still so powerful.
It's absolutely true that Republican leadership doesn't care about "unborn children" or any other kind of child. Their policies make it clear. They're monsters that are 100% willing to watch millions of poor people die if it puts another nickel in their pockets. In the 70s they were about to collapse entirely in the aftermath of Nixon when Roe gave them an opportunity to pick up voters, and the "religious right" movement took it from there.
Previously, when people thought of religious politicians they didn't think of Republicans. Jimmy Carter was a textbook religious politician. He believed in social welfare and protecting the environment. His post-presidential career was focused entirely on charity.
Religious figures had featured prominently in the Civil Rights movement. They fought for immigrantion reform, welfare, social justice, and more. The Republicans needed a way to steal their influence and direct the religious to their side, and Roe was the key.
It's actually something that quietly terrified Republicans when Roe was overturned. They'd spent 50 years depending on it to get people to vote Republican, and when it was actually overturned lots of voters felt freedom to vote based on other issues.
And they aren’t regular people.
They are the leadership of the movement. The people that the "regular people" listen to when developing their views and understandings of the policies at hand.
You can't decouple Ken Paxton from the political movement that champions him.
Previously, when people thought of religious politicians they didn’t think of Republicans. Jimmy Carter was a textbook religious politician.
Jimmy Carter hasn't been on anyone's ballot in over 40 years. We have two full generations of voters who are utterly uninformed of his politics.
None of these right-wing "moderate" abortion opponents are crusading to expand Medicaid or public housing or provide any kind of state funded pre-natal care.
Religious figures had featured prominently in the Civil Rights movement.
At which point the state agents - themselves prominent in their religious communities - arrested, abused, and ultimately killed many of them.
The modern civil rights movement has been hollowed out by decades of intrusive surveillance (famously, the Bush Administration had the NSA and FBI spying on The Quaker Communities of Pensylvania), illegal detentions (anti-terror laws used to round up "Cop City" protest church groups in Georgia), and financial coersion (state funded lawsuits seeking to bankrupt Planned Parenthood).
It’s actually something that quietly terrified Republicans when Roe was overturned.
That's absolute horseshit. The GOP movement organizers used the downfall of Roe as a validation of their entire political strategy. Its the liberals who have been terrified, both at the brazenness of the courts to overturn such a historical standard and at the powerlessness of their own representatives to push back in any meaningful way.
I have friends and relatives who are afraid to visit anti-abortion states, entirely thanks to the slew of news stores about women dying in hospitals from paranoid staff. My own sister has scuttled her plans to move back home, because she wants to have another child and can't risk getting pregnant in Houston.
That's what we're squaring up against in the modern moment. Not some polite disagreement between well-meaning neighbors.
I'm assuming you, like me, vote Democrat.
So you agree with Biden supporting genocide in Gaza? He's the leader of the Democratic party, so by your logic every single thing he does is 100% in line with the morals and goals of everyone who votes for him.
It's possible to vote for someone when you don't support everything they do. That's the entire platform of the GOP. Pick a few single-issue voter groups, cater to them partially on those specific issues and use that guaranteed vote to torpedo everything else.
Many pro-life voters desperately want to expand Medicare, but the party that caters to them does not, so they vote pro-life. The hypocrites are the party leadership who uses their devotion to a cause as a tool against them.
I’m assuming you, like me, vote Democrat.
If only. That party is also choke full of pro-lifers. The President has been a vocal advocate of restricting abortion since his early Senate days.
So you agree with Biden supporting genocide in Gaza?
??? No. Why would I agree with him on that?
It’s possible to vote for someone when you don’t support everything they do.
Its surprisingly difficult to vote for someone when you can't support anything they do. But that's just it. Lots of Zionism in the Democratic Party, too. And its not as though the mass slaughter of Arabs is a policy Biden cooked up yesterday. This practice goes straight back to the Truman Doctrine.
Many pro-life voters desperately want to expand Medicare
They do not. They consistently vote in opposition to both candidates and policies that would achieve this end. The conservative pro-life movement routinely describes public (aka Socialist) medicine as a means of providing more abortions to more women, and so actively work to undermine it.
So do you vote third party? Because in the real world that's a vote for whichever of the 2 parties you like least. Which is to say it's voting for Abbot and Trump by the sound of it.
Single-issue voters vote based on a single issue. This is my entire point and you're either willfully ignoring it or you're too dumb to understand. So which is it: are you stupid or disingenuous?
If they disagree with a party on 99.9% of issues but they're the only one supporting their single-issue they'll vote for that party anyway. It's how the Republicans stay politically powerful.
So do you vote third party?
If there's someone downticket worth supporting. Otherwise, just submit a spoiled ballot with nobody at the top.
Single-issue voters vote based on a single issue.
Its a big issue. But more importantly, there is no brilliant silver lining to vote for.
You're talking about a guy whose three biggest legislative achievements over his four years in office have been
- the Inflation Reduction Act - $783B in "spending" that was 85% tax-incentives (aka tax cuts) for already obscenely wealthy energy companies. The state of Texas has been the biggest beneficiary of these credits, incidentally.
- the enormous leap in security spending, both for domestic police (remember when we cared about BLM and defunding our bloated prison industrial complex? Biden doesn't) and border patrol (remember when we cared about Children In Cages under Trump? Biden doesn't) and our foreign aid to Ukraine, to Saudi Arabia and Jordan, to Pakistan, to Taiwan, to South Korea and the Philippines, and across Latin America (particularly Haiti). Even setting aside Gaza, all of this sucks ass. A repeat of Bush's Global War On Terror, right down to the "arming of moderate rebels" shit that always bites us in the ass in the end.
- "Ending" COVID, which appears to involve ratcheting back all the regulations and financial provisions for combating it, while the disease continues to do a 9/11 every two weeks in domestic mortality figures.
Oh yeah, and inflation. He's overseen an enormous spike in domestic prices, without any comparable rise in wages or public services. The last four years have been a series of empty promises and thread-worn excuses. This, from a guy who says "Bipartisan" every chance he gets, while bemoaning the threat of a resurgent rival party.
If they disagree with a party on 99.9% of issues but they’re the only one supporting their single-issue
Even Reagan drew the line at 80% and he was a hand-puppet for the party at large. This isn't about voting single issue. This is about witnessing a genocide on the watch of a guy who ran on being a civil rights champion.
Eggs on lent is my usual diner order.
I smell the BS from here and I haven't heard a single bell for 4 years living in Kenmore Washington. Actually I have to say that I haven't seen a single Catholic church nearby. Maybe I need to Google them and they do exist. But man it's soo reassuring not having to be part of any of that BS.
Tons of Catholics where I live. Thankfully they have yet to criminalize abortion in my state, but I am confident they are hard at work.
I'm done having kids and such, but I'm still gonna do my daily billion half person sacrifice. It's the price we must pay for a few seconds of neuronal Bliss 😆.
Google "Balut". It's not that simple. Afaik balut is also not permissible during Lent or on Fridays for catholics.
I got a Pinay who says that it is. Really doesn't matter because as I have pointed out repeatedly you have had a fertilized egg in your life.
Bunch of hypocrites
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