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Ontario will impose a 25% surcharge on electricity exports to New York, Michigan, and Minnesota starting Monday in retaliation for Trump’s tariffs on Canadian goods.

Premier Doug Ford warned U.S. governors and vowed to maintain the surcharge until all tariffs are lifted.

Canada has already imposed $30 billion in retaliatory tariffs, with more planned.

Ford also threatened to cut power to the states by April and banned U.S. firms from bidding on Ontario contracts. A $100M SpaceX deal for rural internet was also scrapped in response.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can they get the Fed to drop the F35 contract for a European platform?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hold up - if there is already a 25% tariff - IE tax - on Canadian electricity, does that mean that there is now another 25% tax on that electricity?

And wouldn't this have a slight compounding effect on the second us tariff?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, but us postponed their tariffs another month.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Thing that sucks tho, is at this point it doesn't matter if there's tariffs or not, since people have started preparing as if there will be. Worse, tariffs get integrated into an economy and are next to impossible to un-do. God 45 is so stupid

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (6 children)

No offense but Trump would welcome these on highly liberal Minnesota and New York and be impartial to Michigan. These are not affecting conservative states.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Makes you wonder if this is the first phase of what he meant about "blue states completely disappearing off the map" next year.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (5 children)

It will affect the customers, who are rural. The states are blue, because of their cities, but the cities aren’t reliant on Canadian electricity. The rural areas are, and they vote red.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you really think the Trump supporters will connect the dots?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

JD Vance showed how much he cares about rural communities in Hillbilly Eulogy. Rural Americans are just impressionable pawns to Trump and his ilk.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm not entirely sure he would care either way to be fair, but you do raise a good point.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 month ago (11 children)

The era of US-Canada being brothers in arms is over. I doubt US will be receiving any favors in the future without something in return. And if Canada chooses to expand their supply chains outside of the US, which they 100% should, there’ll be no coming back to a scale of trade as it exists today.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

There is no greater enemy than a friend betrayed

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can replace Canada with any other country! Europe and the US aren't really friends anymore these days.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This read as downplaying Canada's significance for a moment, and then immediately circled back to the US being the isolationist Pariah state it is becoming

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children)

I cut off a Canadian guy I was friends with recently, this guy agreed with everything Trump was doing.

Told him I don't associate with Trump supporters, even weirder you're Canadian (and lives in Canada)

He said he didn't support trump, but reads all the policies front to back and agrees with them.

I said ok, bye and blocked his ass, we can talk again when you get invaded and become 51st state you love him so much.

Wtf is going on?? He had some bullshit reply to everything like he was Canadian maga.

It basically boils down to this: Trump is a lying, racist, rapist.

How do you put trust in anything he says? I can show you 200 lies, with evidence, just in the last week. He loves Putin and himself, gives no shits about us. He's already broken long existing agreements with other countries, he CANNOT be trusted, no matter how good what he says sounds. His goal is to exact revenge on those that don't like him or have said something bad about him, his skin is so thin. You don't "accidentally" rape a person, he is an absolute terrible human being who deserves zero respect from anyone. Fuck Trump in the neck with a metal pipe.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Living in rural Alberta, I am actually fairly amazed how little I encounter Trump supporters since he's been elected. If they are around, they keep their stupid fucking mouths shut.

I know at least 3 that vocally supported him during the election and have nothing good to say about him now, and the fact that Smith seems like she's in bed with him has caused them to re-evaluate their UPC support. Polievre is probably still safe because nobody is voting Liberal, but people talk about how he didn't push back against the tariffs, and it didn't reflect well on him.

I know they're still out there, but there's an Oh Canada streak that's pretty deep in rural areas countering Trump's bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

The same forces that created Trump are at work in Canada. And they are supported by US organizations. Have you noticed that suddenly even second tier US politicians have opinions about Trudeau, Carney, and Pollievre? It is the same as Musk in Germany. We are under attack.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Up until a couple of weeks ago, Canada was well on its path to elect a right leaning government. Trudeau has already resigned and his party was in the gutters. So that tells you how majority of Canadians have been feeling. There is extreme false-facts-driven anti-immigrant sentiment going around, imo, propagated by the same media that is doing so in the US.

Luckily, Nazi musk and his orange monkey’s moves have taken off the veil for some Canadians so there is still some hope for sanity prevailing in their upcoming elections.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Eh Canada was on track to elect the conservatives because the liberals have been in 10 years and fptp trends to a two party system.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Someone I know just keeps telling me he disagrees with every policy that's bad, while also saying he agrees with Trump for 50 things per the 5 he disagrees with.

Anyway that relationship is very sour as you can imagine

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

They're the Austrian who likes Hitler.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

That's a problem we have globally. Although it might seem like Trump style populism vs Canadian neo-liberalism(with all it's pros and cons), we're both purple. You guys just have a bit more right wing red in the dye mix. It's plausible that Canada elects our own Trump then we can both be stupid.

The only ideology that has a chance at stopping the populist wave is Sanders style social democracy because it addresses the same core issue of wealth disparity. But it doesn't look like anyone is electing that anytime soon.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

I've met people like that here in the UK too. Trump has this incomprehensible charisma for arseholes the world over.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Reich wing populism is on the rise, globally.

So, he might hate Trump, but he love the Canadian version.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Not enough, it should be 100% and another thing if we have a surplus that we sell, why the fuck is electricity so expensive in Ontario!?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It is expensive (the most expensive in North America *) because it is low in fossil fuel generation AND uses a lot of renewables with variable production.

The only way to keep the system stable is to rely on fossil fuel generation outside the jurisdiction to offset the peaks and troughs that happen on short time scales.

Ontario actually pays the bordering states to take away excess energy, and they can do it because their gas fired generation can act in seconds to balance supply and demand.

The power EXPORT from the windmills costs the ratepayers in the province over $1B a year...

Similarly, many of the hydro projects rely on seasonal foreign demand. For example BC produces a lot of extra hydro in summer season, and there is air conditioning demand in California during those months. Its not as if the province can hold that water and use it for heating homes during winter.

(* because of unreliable supplies, large consumers like industry can't actually operate in the province because they cannot get reliable contracts... This is about 1/2 million jobs. This is a big part of how Ontario became a have-not province, actually. I had multiple clients from Ontario's generating sector who told me that they "did not want" to enter power contracts with penalties around outages, so if a car plant loses power they can lose millions per hour, and the power companies didn't want to commit to anything. All things equal, big factories can move to Buffalo NY and pay half the price for Ontario energy... )

Basically, it's expensive because of the costs of remote jurisdiction dependencies and the lack of true self sufficiency.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Why is electricity so expensive in Quebec? Because fuck the people that's why 😑

I don't pretend to know all the ins and outs of commerce but I do know Canadians are also getting fucked by Canada. Electricity, lumber, construction materials are artificially expensive as fuck. Since covid the price skyrocketed because of price fixing and no-one did shit and they stated high.

Same with food prices, telecom.... I love Justin standing up to Trump, but it's also true that he's failed protecting the average Canadian. Corporations have run amok and no-one has stood in their way.

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