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The American side deliberately orchestrated the confrontation during President Volodymyr Zelensky's visit to the White House, Friedrich Merz, the head of Germany's Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and the likely chancellor, said on March 3.

"It was not a spontaneous reaction to interventions by Zelensky, but obviously a manufactured escalation in this meeting in the Oval Office," Merz said at a press conference in Hamburg.

The visit was expected to mark the signing of a long-debated agreement between Ukraine and the U.S. on jointly developing Ukraine's mineral resources.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago

Orchestrated or not, it was a fucking cowardly spectacle.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

Trump and Vance aren't actors, it shows.

[–] [email protected] 132 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I thought it made Zelenskyy look good.

He was pleading for his people's protection, while calling the US out on it's bullshit.

Trump and co just looked like a bunch of dick heads.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Trump is a weak person's view of a strong person. It only looked good to those weak people.

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[–] [email protected] 227 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

It was blatantly obvious that it was planned, and good to see people calling it out.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It was my very first thought too. Well, second after what a complete twat JD Vance was. But it just seemed so oddly paced. Like I've never seen a conversation go like that it was so strange. It felt really contrived. Course it could be chalked up to insane immaturity too so idk.

I mean Trump's answer to what if Russia breaks the ceasefire was

What if the bomb drops on your head right now? OK, what if they broke it? I don’t know, they broke it with Biden because Biden, they didn’t respect him. They didn’t respect Obama. They respect me."

So essentially his answer to what happens if they break the ceasefire was... they won't break it? But no, zelensky is the world's biggest asshole for wanting to know about securities.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Vance going on about how the goal is a ceasefire to end the war, Zelensky relying that ceasefires haven't been followed by Russia, and the Trump.and Vance going off on 'disrepect' was just wild. Like reality tv scripted argument level wild. Saturday Night Live parodied the meeting and the parody was toned down compared to the actual meeting!

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[–] [email protected] 173 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I’m not the biggest fan of Merz by any means, but credit where it’s due - it’s fantastic that he specifically and unambiguously called this out on the geopolitical stage.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Yeah Merz seems reasonable geopolitically speaking, and seems willing to make the hard choices. I'm not terribly sad about Scholz losing to him, especially as another GroKo is most likely to happen.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Especially because he has always been a staunch atlanticist with a ton of connections in the US. That and the fact this comes from Germany, the most pro-US country, barring the UK, in Europe, gives his words extra gravitas.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 week ago (2 children)

His stance on Ukraine and the European Union is the silver lining for me with the CDU win tbh. Things might actually improve on these topics over Olaf Scholz.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago

Right? I have been consistently underwhelmed at how… well, flaccid Scholz has been on the European leadership front. Dude comes off like he wants everything signed in triplicate before he’s willing to consider appointing a discussion board to evaluate possibility of thinking about making a decision.

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