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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

Didn’t Apple just come out with one or am I mistaken?

I have an iPhone 15 Pro and a recent Pixel (just because I’m a dev and want to know both ecosystems). I use the iPhone as my daily driver, though, not because it’s necessarily better but because I cannot help myself when it comes to tinkering with Android devices. I have semi-bricked several over the years and then had to install Windows in a VM to run some sketchy-looking factory reset program.

Basically, it’s not an Android problem. It’s a me problem. I’m the one who needs a walled garden so I don’t do science experiments.

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[–] [email protected] 111 points 4 weeks ago (8 children)

Why can't we go back to small phones?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

They suck and also the higher capacity batteries take up too much space now.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago

Phones became more frequently used for apps and posting which is a pain on a tiny screen. I built a pi zero powered retro console but actually using the tiny screen of about 3" makes it near impossible to read anything.

I would like to see things return to having replaceable batteries, headphones jacks and maybe slide out keys, but if I have to type and read on the same screen it's awful nice to have some room to work with.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Here's what I want, roughly in order of priority:

  1. long term OS support
  2. repairable
  3. privacy friendly
  4. small

I currently have a Pixel 8:

  1. 7 years software support, maybe more
  2. 6/10 on ifixit score; not great, but better than many
  3. supports GrapheneOS
  4. on the smaller end of "normal" today

A community-supported Linux phone would be awesome, since I'd get 1 and 3 by default and 2 by convention, but they don't meet my minimum needs from a phone: reliable basic feature support. Hopefully we get there by the time my Pixel dies.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

You might be interested in the fairphone

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

My main complaint is that they don't directly support the US. There's a reseller here, but I think there are issues with some bands.

Maybe it'll be better the next time I need a phone.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago

Making a small phone is harder than making a big phone.

[–] [email protected] 193 points 4 weeks ago (20 children)

I want a repairable phone. A phone where I can replace the battery

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

I'm curious, how repairable? Like comfortable with a solder iron or slots and what not like a PC?

Repairable phones would be great but the demand for them hasn't undone the cost of design for them. There's a lot of tech in an incredibly small package, so repairable phone would still require people to have specialty equipment to repair.

Like very few people own an oven for working with BGA chips. And if we go with socket based chips, the thickness of the phone has to increase or the battery has to decrease.

Don't get me wrong, I think an open and repairable phone would be great. But having one is an engineering challenge that most phone makers have opted to just skip putting dollars into because the demand for one doesn't justify the cost. Your average buyer is just chasing shiny and doesn't see repairing their dinosaur as valuable.

But yeah, I'm sure there's plenty here that would love such a device. Sadly we are not the majority.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

And screen. And buttons.

I also want something that's supported more than 3 years so there's a point to repairing it. Ideally, support should come from the community so it can be infinite as long as someone is willing to do the work.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 weeks ago (8 children)

What's wrong with Fairphone then? Think I'm gonna buy FP 6 when it arrives

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 weeks ago

IDK, i have Big hands, so using those was a pain for me lmao.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 weeks ago (7 children)

Why can't we have both? I want a bigger phone. Bigger than what I have now, and many people would consider this to be a fairly large phone.

But I don't want to stop people who want smaller phones from having those, too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

You can already get big phones though.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Right? Everybody has different size hands, my hands are on the larger side and these bigger phones of today are actually pretty comfortable to me

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[–] [email protected] 110 points 4 weeks ago (7 children)

Well, I can't speak for everyone else, but I can't go back because they don't sell any small phones.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

I've been maining a Unihertz Jelly Star, I quite like it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

They do, but service providers don't like selling them. There isn't as much of a return on smaller/ dumb/ cheap phones. I used to work at spectrum, and we'd speak of the cheap phones in hushed tones like they were the boogeyman. It felt horrible because I was using my cheap android while selling people iPhone 15s.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

So once again instead of providing choice the market is simply phasing out things with smaller profit margins as if they planned it together in some kind of cartel.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 weeks ago (19 children)

I picked the Pixel 8 because:

  1. it runs GrapheneOS
  2. It was a little smaller than the Pixel 8 Pro

If there was a smaller version available, I would've gotten that instead.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

I’m clinging to my SE. It’s the last small phone made by anyone other than Chinese no-names. I will be sad when it’s no longer viable as an option.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 weeks ago (7 children)

my Chinese tiny phone has a name, it's the Unihertz Jelly Star. they even have a subreddit, not sure what makes you think it's a "no name" they make a lot of phones for niches in today's world including one with a physical qwerty keyboard.

now the fact that they're the only company filling those niches sucks, but it's better than nobody doing it.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago (7 children)

Because most people don't buy them?

It's like asking "Man, why don't they make slider phones anymore?" (and I loved my slider phone).

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

There is no option to buy them. That's the point.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

That's right. The market has spoken, and unfortunately it has said it doesn't want small phones. Personally, I still do though.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago

I don't think it's the consumer market. It's more expensive to manufacture with physical controls, keyboards, and moving parts. It wasn't lack of consumer demand that killed the phono jack.

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