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Depends on what you ask.
Go ask it about NATO or Tienanmen Square and see what happens. The data model is heavily redacted, filtered, suppressed, biased...
So if you ask it a question, it will always be pro-China/anti-America. It also changes responses on the fly to fit with Chinese law, which includes denying the Tienanmen Square massacre, and other historic events and even goes as far as to imply or outright say they never happened at all.
So can the content be trusted? Not really.
This is incorrect. This only applies if not hosted locally. I host it myself it has none of these restrictions. If you're using it from their app or website it's hosted in China and must follow Chinese law.
If you’re using it from their app or website it’s hosted in China and must follow Chinese law.
This is literally what I've just said...
It also changes responses on the fly to fit with Chinese law. You called what Is aid wrong, and then immediately exactly reiterated what I've said...
Why? What do you get out of it?
I suppose if that line is a catch-all, sure. Your message didn't make it clear that self-hosting removes Chinese bias and censorship. This is an important bit of information for OPs question, and what I get out of it is a valid and important addition to the conversation. I genuinely don't know why you're defensive. Being incorrect, or I suppose in this case, lacking nuance, isn't a character flaw. I do it all the time.
Your message didn’t make it clear that self-hosting removes Chinese bias and censorship.
Why would I have to include that? OP asked if DeepSeek can be trusted. DeepSeek is the online cat interface--which is what OP was referring to. If they meant the model specifically they would have (or should have) referenced the model specifically which is DeepSeek-Chat or DeepSeek-Reasoner / DeepSeek-R1. If they did mean the model itself, then that's their error. Not mine. Specificity is important.
I think you're assuming far too much of someone asking beginner questions, and you come off as a bit pretentious for it.
Specificity is important no matter what you do. If that makes me "pretentious" because you were under the impression that I misunderstood, when in fact you misunderstood, then I'm okay with that. It's not my job to ensure that you're using nomenclature correctly, and I'm not responsible for your misunderstandings when I do use nomenclature correctly.
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Specificity is less important than effective communication. If you're sacrificing communication for the sake of being pedantic, what's the point? There's a reason experts don't use jargon when talking to novices, and this is exactly that situation. I really don't understand why you're so bent out of shape over a reasonable addition to the conversation, and one that was helpful to the OP.
Specificity is less important than effective communication.
Specificity is effective communication.... If you say "hand me the pen" while there is a pen and a pencil in front of me, you don't then get to be pissed that I handed you the pen when you meant pencil. You're the one who isn't communicating effectively. Same thing here. If you ask if DeepSeek (which is the web-ui to the DeepSeek-chat model) is safe to use and I outline examples specifically why it can't really be trusted in certain situations, you don't then get to be pissed because you actually meant the model itself (DeepSeek-Chat/R1)...
Pretty simple stuff.
Right, which is why science educators use all the most specific and correct terms rather than tailoring their speech to their audience. Don't be such a pedant and realize that the OP clearly didn't know the difference from the outset. You're so concerned about being correct that you fully missed being right.
Right, which is why science educators use all the most specific and correct terms rather than tailoring their speech to their audience.
lmao what in the fuck did you just say? You don't even hear yourself when you speak, do you? Yes. The scientists--the least pedantic people we can collectively think of. /s
You're being deliberately obtuse, or trolling. Are you seriously trying to suggest that science educators use jargon? Watch a TED talk. Attend an open lecture. Open youtube or your preferred equivalent. You're so wrong it's funny. Good communicators reach their audience where they are.
Additionally, it's pedantry to the extreme to pretend that me saying "I use deepseek," referring to my self-hosted solution, is incorrect, when it absolutely is deepseek. Yes, you could be more specific, but it absolutely is correct to refer to deepseek in any of its forms as deepseek. Chat-GPT is Chat-GPT, regardless of version. You've made up rules you're expecting others to follow, and the rules themselves are inconsistent with how people speak.
You care so much about being right that you'll move any number of goalposts and define things any way you like just to be absolutely, technically correct. The idea of saying, "You know what, I didn't think about that. I could've been more nuanced," must be a nightmare to you.
Top to bottom this is the most insane fucking conversation I've ever had. You've convinced yourself that correctly identifying objects is "jargon" because your brain can't physically live in a world where you're unjustified. It's a literal masterclass of sociopathy. It's so fucked up you're claiming that I "just want to win online arguments" while you twist and contort reality into a version of events where you're somehow "not wrong" to the point where you're claiming that correctly identifying objects somehow isn't important and is considered "jargon." You said that SCIENTISTS aren't pedantic. For fucks sake man. Talk to a therapist; seek help.
Worst of all, you sound ignorant. Like... Very ignorant. Like taking your car to a mechanic and them saying you need new wheel bearings and instead of wheel bearings you get new tires and when your tire disconnects from your frame you run back to the mechanic and lambast them for being stupid and having to be right all the time because...you completely misrepresented what they had said because they "used jargon!" kind of ignorant. lol
The group chat is going crazy at these replies man.
Jargon was an example from an analogous situation, that of someone knowledgeable explaining to a beginner. OP didn't understand you. My contribution explained it to them. You care more about pedantry than effective communication. I don't know what else to tell you. Seriously, find me anyone doing science communication that uses technical language rather than general. I'd love to provide as many counter examples as you need. My point is that your communication wasn't as effective as it could be, and rather than accepting a helpful addition to the conversation, you made it defensive. Again, I'm not suggesting you are using jargon. What you are doing, assuming meaning from a beginner's usage of general speech, is the same as an expert choosing jargon when interfacing with a member of the general public. In good communication, it just doesn't happen.
If the group chat thinks absolute specificity is more important than effective communication, that is, communication that the other party understands, then they can be wrong too. OP did not understand you. My followup with them confirms this. This is a waste of my time.
I personally just want to get chibese translations, but I don't if it's worth it anymore…
Refer to my other comments above. Self-hosting it removes censorship and bias. It's only biased as long as it's on Chinese servers and therefore following Chinese law.
I see, it's a great suggestion. But unfortunately, I don't have the resources to do it. Thank you, though. 🙇
DeepSeek has some of the most syntactically correct and accurate English to Chinese translations I've ever seen--so it's super useful for that.
deepseek is open source, so you can just use it locally.
Anything that is not local AI cannot be trusted.
Have you ever thought to yourself, where the fuck do these corporations get the funding to make me use such a service for free? By harvesting your data and selling it.
From your other comment i saw you aren't using a PC, i haven't tested this out but you may be interested in it (local LLM and android only): https://github.com/Vali-98/ChatterUI
Best of luck to you.
👀 I was looking for something like this for ages, eventually I had given up and assumed Kobold.cpp on desktop was the only choice. Thank you for the link!
Here's what you can trust: https://lmstudio.ai/
Otherwise, only ask it generic coding questions that any student studying your topic would, and then there would be nothing to distrust over.
Looks very similar to "Jan". I wonder if it's a fork (or the other way around).
Probably not a fork as Jan is AGPL and LM Studio is mostly proprietary
Interesting, this is my first time learning about Jan, and frankly, it looks better! I think I'll pivot...
Seems interesting, but I don't have a computer to run it…
Then try: https://gpt4all.io/index.html
It won't be strong, though. I'd just probably use DeepSeek but restrict questions to generic ones, like how to build a spreadsheet formula or something. Don't ask for life advice lol; do that here in [email protected] or [email protected].
Then try: https://gpt4all.io/index.html
Thank you for the suggestion, but I don't get it, does it runs on the website or has a downloadable version for Android?
Neither; both of these are downloaded for offline running on PCs only. Androids aren't typically powerful enough for any meaningful offline AI.
You can't trust anything.
You always have to use trustless software.
'Trusting' is privacy-by-policy.
Trustlessness is privacy-by-design.
Deepseek's models can be run truslessly locally, or can be hosted on a server.
Wait were you talking about privacy or fact-checking? LLMs don't stick to the truth.
You can't trust anything
Yeah, this is exactly why I put it in quotes. And I know that LLMs don't know what is true.
Can you expand on your question a bit? What is it you're trying to find out?
Does DeepDeek respects my privacy or will it track my every move?
Quick answer: Don't give any non-locally running non-opensource LLM's sensitive info / private info.
What does this means?
'locally-running' means it is on your computer, will work without an internet connection
anything you access using the internet is not 'locally-running'
The comment means don't send information over the internet that you don't want to share.
Thanks @[email protected] for filling OP in! I want to add a few things incase OP is unaware of more than just what you explained:
LLM = large language model, one of the types of AI. Examples: ChatGPT, DeepSeek, Meta's LLaMA
Open-Source: the program code of the AI is available to look at, in its entirety
If you are not sure if you understand these terms and what frightful_hobgoblin said, then just assume whatever AI you are using is going to share your chat with the company behind it.
open source is also very tricky with LLMs: i’d argue if you can’t recreate it from scratch, it’s not open source… deep seek does not contain all the data necessary to recreate it from scratch: it’s open weights (the model itself can be downloaded and run) but not open source… i’d classify it as free (as in beer) software; not open source
Excellent addition, I agree!
That's the criteria of many FOSS catalogue repositories: they won't add any software that is not completely reproducible.
Tbh, if you don't know what that means, you can't trust it.
Though, it means that unless it's running locally on your own hardware and not in the cloud and you haven't verified the source code directly (or someone else you trust hasn't) then assume it is nefarious and do not give it any personal or sensitive information you wouldn't want anyone on the Internet to know.
Could you please explain what "personal or sensitive info" means?
Name, address, phone number, Bank info, nude photos of yourself, etc. If the info being released could harm you or in some way negatively impact your life, assume it would be sent to China or anywhere else on the world wide web if you ran it without following the previous guidelines.
Any data related to your person. (name, contacts, date of birth, etc.) Search "PII" or "personally identifiable information" if you want to read more about that.
and lie a lot
