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In the end, the KIA car company made its cars into subscription models, I really hate this because in the end the car we buy with our own money doesn't feel like it belongs to us. Should we finally buy an old school car ? so as not to be affected by this subscription models or is there a way to crack the software installed in it ?
Yall taking about modern cars, meanwhile my 94' Citröen works like a charm. Aftermarket alarm with GPS unmbolizer for 50 bucks does al the work.
https://piped.video/watch?v=aTNAghGMnIU
This is freedom hahahaha
It even hasn't a ECU. Lol
Game console manufacturing companies used to use people for modding a console that the person owned fair and square. And they won.
I miss when you didn't need a cell connection for remote start, like my fob can lock and unlock my car from the third floor of my building why can't I just have a button on my remote that does the same as unlocking my doors.
Although, the roadside kinda makes $60 a year worth it just for the peace of mind, gotta atleast give em that.
For $120 a year the Kia boys can total your car anyway!
While I'm generally against subscriptions, for the most part the above are things that require cellular service and cloud infrastructure...
While the price may be too high. I'm normally ok with subscriptions for things that have on-going costs to the seller.
We should be able to self host the servers and choose the cellular service like i can on my phone then
or.. we just need more FOSS alternatives to the car manufacturers proprietary OS.
I already see GH issues like: "breaks stop working when going above 200mph."
Should we finally buy an
Who is we?
Why are you buying a car in the first place?
get as many of the negatives of car ownership away from you.
I lease my Taycan. I do not want to pay for tyres or checkups. I do not want to pay in case the engine blows (not that it can, it's electric but you get the gist).
Dude you're paying a mortgage payment to not even own a car. Pardon me if I don't take your financial advice. Glad you're doing well for yourself, but most people aren't able to afford a Porsche.
It doesn't have to be the car i drive. Cars have enormous loss of value. I'd rather have a new car every 3 of 5 Years and pay rent on it, than to have a car that i pay the same amount of money but i can trash it 10 years later or spend as much as a new car to keep it pristine.
For some, this subscription model is great. But do you agree, that is it a bad thing if they force it on us?
I don't understand buying a car unless it is a shitbox for the track and putting a rollcage in.
I don't understand why someone would want to rent their car. Maintenance is not that hard, and companies always make you pay way more for their subscription models. By owning the car, you can pick who does maintenance. Meaning there can be competition, so prices/quality remains good.
LMAO you want to switch your Battery yourself? And pay for it directly? And if something goes wrong pay even more? Firgure out what shop has fair prices and doesnt fuck you over?
No thanks, i'd rather have all my services included in my lease.
Even electric engines can still break and have issues
Yeah but i don't have to worry about that because anything but negligence is of no interest to me and included in the lease.
This type of subscription is actually kiiiiinda understandable because the company has to maintain servers, staff and keep the software secure because they're handling sensitive data such as location etc.
I also remember that BMW I think? Had a heated seat subscription and that's really not justifiable imo
You wouldn’t download [the basic features of an item you already purchased.]
How is unlocking your car over the internet a basic feature?
Why do I need to unlock my car over the internet? What is the use case over a FOB?
Nice strawman.
Dont get the subscription if youre fine with a fob.
How is asking you a follow-up question a strawman exactly? What do you think a strawman is?
Because the question was answered in my original question. You don't. That's why it's an additional subscription feature.
My question was why the guy claimed it was a basic feature when it never was.
And then you came along and asked "well hurr durr why do i need to unlock my car from my phone"
You don't. So you don't need the subscription. Done.
That’s why it’s an additional subscription feature.
So why is it worth a subscription? You're defending it as something that is not a basic feature that validates the subscription, but asking what the feature actually provides is somehow a strawman?
Oh you were seriously asking? It allows me to unlock the car from my couch when my wife wants to get something out the car real quick. Or i don't wanna carry my keys around.
I can also start the A/C 30 minutes before i leave so i dont have to freeze to death in winter.
I don't know what makes you think I wasn't asking, and I still don't understand what you think a strawman is, but thank you for actually answering the question.
Personally I can think of better uses for $150 a year then "I don't like having keys in my pocket/near the door" but I guess there's a reason we keep seeing more companies trying to profit off subscriptions...
It's a basic convenience/status in exchange for money.
You wanna control your house from your phone? Sure, pay me for the effort of keeping all that shit secure.
I like convenience, that's why i eat out 6 days a week.
Your oxygen subscription expires in 2 weeks. Please take note that absence of oxygen leads to hypoxia. Due to the detrimental effects of the war in Ukraine we have been forced to increase prices by 420%. Would you like to extend your subscription?
How is that related to unlocking your car from your phone?
Both are, or at least should be, ridiculous.
Yes, an app costs money. Yes, servers do cost money. But do they need to use servers? No. For example, self-hosting. Or just connecting the car to the cellular network (which they already do, mind you) and just let the phone talk to it directly, no manufacturer server required. Just pay an ISP for cell service and you're set. Are there problems with such a solution security-wise? Yes. And while I'm not an expert in cybersecurity I think the risks are about the same for this and a server model.
Hell, they might not even use servers for anything other than checking if you've paid your subscription in order to lower costs already (as if a few thousand unlock requests a minute couldn't be managed without a problem on a Raspberry Pi). They don't need some huge, expensive and power-hungr supercomputer for that, so I don't see a need for such a steep price.
Are the features useful? Absolutely. Would someone be willing to pay this price? Also absolutely. But the festures objectively don't cost that much to maintain and competition should and could put an end to it.
It's just corporate greed, and it feels to me as if we're getting closer and closer to the fabled oxygen subscription, and we have to call manufacturers out on their bullshit while we still have air to breathe.
Just don't buy their cars or at least their subscriptions. Get your car 'jailbreaked'. What will they do, remote disable it? I think we're still not that far down the dystopia plotline that a boycott couldn't work.
You want to selfhost your own server that communicates with your car so you can ulock your car from your phone? Are you dumb? Do you want to lose your car in a week?
Delusional.
Because the cost of the app to do that isn't $60 a year.
No the cost of the Servers and the maintenance and the work required to have all that kept online and secure is.
Do you think admins and security guys work for free?
I'll refer you to unexpctedkeg's comment
will refer to my already posted answer to that comment
I might be the guy that shows up at the revolution for the most trivial reason but I hate that it says $59.00 per annually like companies think they're so smart for having business school graduates on staff charging for things only business school graduates would think to charge for but they can't even get basic grammar right.
Simple. Buy an older car and spend the extra money maintaining it. Reducing demand is the only language consumers have that businesses understand.
It doesn't have to be ancient; even 5-10 year old cars don't have this bullshit.
Just don't buy a 5-10 year old Kia or Nissan. Nearly every one on the road is going to have their engine sieze or transmission have issues
Could you unpack the Why?
I own a Kia. I don't enjoy the subscription anymore than the next guy but I'm calling bullshit.
The only features behind a pay wall are the ones the app provides. The ones that require an always on internet connection and server infrastructure to maintain.
None of the in-car features are limited. The remote start on my key fob, seat heaters, onboard nav, all work fine without a subscription.
This isn't like the crap bmw was pulling with the seat heaters.
The cost to maintain the servers to send extremely small packets of data to instruct the car for the entire fleet of cars they sold could be less than $100/m.